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well here we are Dean here we are Martin

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Dean Martin hello audience it's the Dean

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Martin Show there's only certain people

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that'll get that reference but

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a certainly more than a few people yeah

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so welcome

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um everyone I am back Dean's gonna help

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um in this my first show back since open

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heart surgery and uh I am feeling great

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and again I want to thank everyone out

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there for uh the nice emails and

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messages and every which way it got to

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me so uh somehow some people got my cell

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phone were texting me all good I uh it

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was all good and Dean I want to thank

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you very much for uh filling in for me

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you did it excellent job uh last week I

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I received a bunch of emails uh what a

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stellar job you you did so thank you and

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I and I'll pass on the thanks to my

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mother for all those emails yeah that's

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great what's happening here with me is

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this what happens Martin when you work

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on the show for 10 years you you yeah

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the goatee you get the goatee because

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I'm I'm it's happy it's a natural thing

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I can't stop this thing yeah

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um and it keeps coming right it keeps

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coming in

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um I just also want to say

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um that I am so happy to see uh your

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smiling cherubick face back where you

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belong in the saddle my friend and um uh

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again it was uh it was fun but it was

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experience

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um well you know I'd like to invite you

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back now and then to co-host us because

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of

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I think we could have some fun and uh

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you know if you get that special guest

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that I can't get then you can guilt me

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into it anytime oh guilt is a great

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motivator I'm it is yes yeah so I want

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to say uh this week's blog by Charles

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lears part two of behind the scenes of

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the UFO cover-up live that was a series

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that aired back in the 1980s I also want

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to give a shout out because uh when I

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was in the hospital

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um I shared a room with several

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different people but the last guy I

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shared a room with name Rick uh the poor

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guy is still in there he's had a really

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rough go of it and I've been out of the

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hospital since I think the 8th of

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October I believe that's when I got out

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something like that

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so anyway uh it's funny I was sitting

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there uh I don't reading or something

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and I happened to look up over at Rick's

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TV and I saw Leslie Kane and then I saw

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UFOs flying around and so uh I kind of

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interrupted a show and say hey uh you

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into UFOs

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and by golly he knows every he knows a

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lot about UFOs I mean all these cases he

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knows about rendelson Forest

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um you know he he was very well versed

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he's been watching you Dean

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um and he's probably watching tonight

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right from the hospital so you see the

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guy that holds up the scorecards that

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says two three out of ten is that him

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yeah that's the guy yeah

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well it's really funny because uh you

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and I have talked about this how we will

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be just doing the usual traveling that

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our jobs take us and occasionally you

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know you're seated next to someone or

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it'll come up ideally it's organic

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um and and I'm I swear to God I would

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say the odds are you know eight out of

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ten people I talk to are totally down

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um and then I have to do I don't know if

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you do this but I do like a gauging how

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far are they in the rabbit hole what

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what side of the rabbit hole are they

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and uh and then you know kind of try to

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reach out and say oh you might want to

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stay a little more in this one than that

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one because as you know there's you know

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tons of uh yeah because people people

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are when they're looking at it from the

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outside they can certainly go down the

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wrong path and uh take something that's

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real we won't have to go into exactly

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that right now but

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but anyway it feels it feels really good

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to be back and again um I'm thrilled to

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be back and I feel like I have a new

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life and I'm very grateful

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um it's I could have actually dropped

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um you know and that would have been the

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end of it but uh I I was able to catch

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something in time a 95 blockage

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um with a bypass so I was right there so

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uh I'm very very grateful yeah well

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again I think all the love that was sent

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to you I think that stuff matters I

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think it really does all the great

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energy that you were getting sent and uh

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I I I can see um

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I can just see the difference from you

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because I've been able to be there right

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before you had the operation right after

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and judging it and uh

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you were doing great my friend yeah well

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thank you thank you you know I think we

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should probably talk about our guests

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that might sure not be a bad idea why

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not uh John Burroughs uh he's been on

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the show several times but many years

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ago and I'm really looking forward uh to

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talking to him again tonight and uh as

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you know I I shouldn't pick any

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favorites on the year but uh as Bill

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said earlier John is his favorite in the

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uh Bill who works the behind the scenes

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of kgra said he's definitely the

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favorite of all the people that he's

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talked to involved in the renderson

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force a solid guy he was I believe the

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second person to see the UFO the first

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night uh when it was there right back in

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1980 the rendition Force I will go into

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a nutshell of that it seems like I had

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something else to say but uh again I'm

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not exactly 100 right there I know James

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Fox will be on next week I wanted to and

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I'll be in a hotel room but

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um it'll be good to have him on to talk

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about his new uh uh moment of contact

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right and you saw that at the studio uh

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you saw it at the theater I saw at the

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LA Premiere and uh on the big screen and

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if you get a chance to see it um on the

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big screen jump at it I know that it's

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been playing in

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uh South America they had a Premiere in

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Brazil and it was this big big news

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um because all these people that have

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been tracking this story are now going

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taking ownership you know in Brazil

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taking ownership of this and so um it's

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really nice to see that recognition and

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see those people kind of um transition

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from this Mythic thing to credibility

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from another country that came in and

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and you know gave it a new varnish on it

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so yeah it's really really uh good he he

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crushed it yeah and there's a lot of

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things going on in the UFO World UFO

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news lately I don't know if we'll be

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able to touch on that or not but I'm

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gonna bring him in now John Burroughs

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welcome hey thanks for having me back

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yeah yeah Ben I I think it's been like

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four or five years something I think the

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last time I did is your show was in 15.

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2015. I think so that was when Halls

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joined us yes I do remember that I think

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that was the last time I've been out

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with you yeah that was a very popular

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show it got a lot a lot of hits yeah

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when the colonel and I joined up

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together it gets interesting I can tell

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you that much

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that's right and how's everything going

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for you John doing well how about you I

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mean well obviously you just talked

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about it so I'm glad you're getting

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better so oh yeah yeah yeah I feel I

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feel really great

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um so uh John I know you've told the

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story a million times but uh we have

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this thing happening where there's a lot

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of new people that are just because of

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all UFOs being more normalized there's

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all new people coming in constantly I

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get a lot of email so in a nutshell

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could you explain what happened and what

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you were involved in in uh the incident

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um sir it's the it started out being

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called the Aria bentwater's incident and

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then it went to the Reynolds of forest

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it happened over our incident happened

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over a three-night period over Christmas

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of 1980.

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after and the prior stuff could go back

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years they actually had

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the incident take place or they actually

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chased something with fighter planes but

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in a nutshell it was a three-night

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our last midnight shift we came on at 11

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riding with uh my supervisor who was new

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to the base who wanted to talk to me a

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little bit about

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just meet up and talk so I jumped this

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Trail car we were driving around we were

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down by the gate you saw some strange

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lights in the sky going into the forest

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he asked me if I'd see anything like

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that I've been there a year and a half

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before and I said no so from that point

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we just decided to open the gate and go

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down to the end of the road to get a

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better idea what could be going on

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because we really didn't want to call

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until we had a better grasp of it once

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we got down to the end of the uh the

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road things didn't seem right came back

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up called in on the phone at the gate

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they said security patrol down they saw

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two the uh they did some research from

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CSC to with the different Radars and

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they came up the uh correlation that

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something was on radar over the area and

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went down into the forest

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we then proceeded the two Security Guys

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and I went into the got into the vehicle

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and went into the forest to try to see

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if we could figure out what was going on

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we uh eventually got close to something

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the stories all different from there I

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remember getting close then it was gone

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uh the security supervisor said he went

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up to it touched it saw glass got a

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binary download walked around it for 45

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minutes the third guy who Peterson tried

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to out right just right out of the story

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but later amenity was there he

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remembered getting we got closer and

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blacked out at that point we um

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it disappeared we went we went on to the

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fields and farther out towards the coast

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gone so that was night one night two

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they had uh something seen in the forest

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shift Commander went out with the on

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duty security uh flight Chief they had

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some kind of encounter that's never been

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um straightened out just because she's

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never willing to talk about it night

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three is when I went out

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on my own after finding out about 9-2

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with a couple other guys we were on

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break and met up with the halt party and

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that was the night when

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um I met up with them in Boston I went

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forward and we had some kind of

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and um there was uh there was

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I remember I I don't know if it was you

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that told me or I'm remembering

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something where

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um you kind of

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woke up and

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from you were standing and it was like

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near it or something well that was like

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three when Adrian and I uh when they

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came towards us the whole party and for

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years a lot of people questioned why I

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didn't get talked about very much was

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because Colonel Hoff denied any of that

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happened he at the beginning denied and

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Adrian and I were even involved then the

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Bernie tape came out the tape that he

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made Bernie got her hands on Georgina

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Bruni and it actually modified it

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cleaned it up and right there my name of

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the stenza's neighbor on the tape so he

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couldn't deny we were out there then he

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tried to poo-poo what we did but

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eventually through different things we

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were able to prove not only were we

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there but we went we were allowed to go

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forward to get close to it and as I was

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going towards it Adrian said well we

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were running and he went down right

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before before I actually came over me

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and I disappeared in it so I I just

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remember getting close to it and it was

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there and gone Adrian actually saw me go

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into it and disappeared

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um I'm really interested in in the

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moment when you and uh uh peniston uh

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Jim and uh the third officer it was you

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Jim Ed command Zach and and and yeah

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yeah when you came across it um Jim

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talks about and I've been really curious

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and wanted to ask you this

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when Jim talks about coming across it he

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says it felt like everything in the

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forest became quiet all the the insects

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all the the night sounds seemed to die

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out and then he said at some point he

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felt like there was almost like it was

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he describes it as walking through

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um like water it seemed a little bit

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labored to walk through a little bit in

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slow motion he was kind of trying to

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dial in the right expression and he said

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they could see you guys on the

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peripheral that you were looking at this

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while he went up and got closer and he

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describes his experience

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um but I'm curious to get what your

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experience was because I'm a believer

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that you can have different experiences

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doesn't mean it cancels out the other

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person's experience but I'm curious what

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your experience was during that it

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doesn't necessarily cancel out the

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experience but the issue is this he

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tried to write it out completely and

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eventually he did an interview where

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humidity was out there with us because

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Ed and I do not have anything any kind

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of recollection of any of that taking

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place and you're right it doesn't mean

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it didn't happen it's just as that the

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story with him has grown over the years

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to where at the very beginning he

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basically said well statement said we

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got closer and that was it what I could

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say for clearly what Ed and I remember

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was we got close to it he blacked out

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his claimed he did that in the James Fox

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documentary I know what I saw he said we

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got close to it and then he blacked out

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we all blacked out is what he remembered

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um but he did say I drew my weapon which

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I don't remember having a weapon with me

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at the time but then I just remember

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getting close to it and then it was gone

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you know it was like it was it went away

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there it was and it was gone so as far

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as penance's Story I mean you're right

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we can all remember different things but

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there are other caveats to it that come

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in question a little bit about how he's

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raise the bar on what happened so sure

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no weren't you not allowed to take

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weapons when you went off the base that

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was the um okay that was the original

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assumption well what I mean by that was

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we when he came off the phone he said

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for us to leave our we were told to

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leave our weapons with stefans at the

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patrol car and that's what I remember

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but kabansack claims I cut my 38 with me

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and I actually drew it so I I don't

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remember having my weapon with me or

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drawing it and I even joked about it in

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the fox documentary I said well what

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good it would have been if I had it and

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I would have drawn it and fired at it

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yeah I don't think it would have went

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well for us maybe you know so yeah yeah

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I want to um back up when you say that

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uh originally Jim had felt that he had

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passed out

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and was that your recollection as well

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and what did that look like did he go no

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no no his state right now his statement

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was he just said that his statement was

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written by performed by somebody else at

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the statements got released then this

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that was what was going on and then then

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he came back and said no I did all this

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other stuff and then he said the

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statement was written for him and that

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wasn't the truth and all I'm saying is

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that over the years

401
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is added to the story over and over and

402
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it's hurt the incident because no no

403
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book for 20 years then it shows up on

404
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the 20-year Mark then the notebook has

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the glyphs in it and then at the 30-year

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Mark then the notebook then he adds the

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the binary

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so all I'm trying to say is is that Ed

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and I got close to it and we don't

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really know what happened so all my

411
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question is and there's other things

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that we could talk about it but I

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questioned some of what he he has said

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about what happened to him just from

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knowing him being around him in the

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event itself

417
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yeah it's uh I mean again we're talking

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oh how many years ago uh it's 44 years

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two years it'll be yeah

420
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so but this all happened he started

421
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coming out with this in round 2000 and

422
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and the reason why I say some of this if

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you do your history of randlesome he we

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did a piece halting him in Iowa England

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for I know it was called uh

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uh this is my senior time we did a piece

427
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over in England where they peniston and

428
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Hall had just gotten out and I was still

429
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in the reserves and we went over there

430
00:17:55,370 --> 00:17:53,580
and we did a piece and he didn't talk

431
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about any of that he didn't talk about

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the notebook and when I chounced him on

433
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that he claims that he offered the

434
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notebook to the crew and I'm like Jim I

435
00:18:06,289 --> 00:18:03,840
was there for the production meetings

436
00:18:07,669 --> 00:18:06,299
you did not do that and and he said well

437
00:18:10,010 --> 00:18:07,679
they didn't want they weren't interested

438
00:18:12,049 --> 00:18:10,020
in this they're going to fly us 3000

439
00:18:14,270 --> 00:18:12,059
Miles and you're gonna come up with this

440
00:18:16,610 --> 00:18:14,280
notebook that's going to show what

441
00:18:17,810 --> 00:18:16,620
happened you wrote down all this stuff

442
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and they're not going to be interested

443
00:18:22,430 --> 00:18:20,340
in or to use it in the show you know

444
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what I mean hey you know so there's just

445
00:18:26,990 --> 00:18:24,840
a lot of discrepancies and I I feel it's

446
00:18:29,390 --> 00:18:27,000
hurt the incident because there's a

447
00:18:31,490 --> 00:18:29,400
following behind it but there's nothing

448
00:18:34,730 --> 00:18:31,500
to back up what he said other than what

449
00:18:38,029 --> 00:18:34,740
he said where the rest of us have stuck

450
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to what we remember and stayed that way

451
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from from the beginning I've never tried

452
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to embellish a night one or three I just

453
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said this is what I remember and I got

454
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attacked for that that I was covering up

455
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stuff

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so yeah

457
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I could see that happening I want to ask

458
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you this John

459
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um how

460
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much did this look like the craft this

461
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picture there was there was just lights

462
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all I ever saw was lights I see so you

463
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never actually saw a structured crash no

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never saw a structure crop now my

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hypnosis I do use the word craft but I I

466
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never could describe it and it was not I

467
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never saw anything triangular that's all

468
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I'm going to say never saw anything

469
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triangular so you said did you say

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hypnosis yeah

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so what was the just what was the

472
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difference between your memory of this

473
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and then the main points and then after

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hypnosis well nothing really I mean

475
00:19:40,669 --> 00:19:36,960
hypnosis kind of expanded a little bit

476
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about what took place but it nothing

477
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really changed that was why it was done

478
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in 88 was because I didn't remember what

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happened when I got close to it

480
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but then the hypnosis expanded on what

481
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we were dealing with and I've never ever

482
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ever tried to say anything more than if

483
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I'm asked about the hypnosis I'll lay it

484
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out what the hypnosis said but I don't

485
00:20:03,710 --> 00:20:02,700
intermix the hypnosis with what I

486
00:20:07,570 --> 00:20:03,720
remember

487
00:20:10,730 --> 00:20:07,580
yeah yeah I'm always interested how like

488
00:20:13,190 --> 00:20:10,740
gyms in my um uh my new documentary

489
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project and

490
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the way that that he had described it

491
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was kind of like

492
00:20:21,770 --> 00:20:19,740
stuff would come in ways where you would

493
00:20:24,409 --> 00:20:21,780
have this he was up obviously closer

494
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than than you know you guys were

495
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he was maybe a couple feet we were like

496
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in a line staggered line formation he

497
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was there I was there and then Ed was

498
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behind me and if you go back and listen

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00:20:40,669 --> 00:20:38,640
to the last interview we did with Timmy

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church he admitted that but he's always

501
00:20:44,510 --> 00:20:42,960
said otherwise before but Jimmy caught

502
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him off guard he asked him a clear

503
00:20:48,830 --> 00:20:46,320
question he goes so the three of you

504
00:20:50,510 --> 00:20:48,840
when you were coming up on the berm what

505
00:20:51,770 --> 00:20:50,520
happened and then he described exactly

506
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where we were what we were doing and

507
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everything before his eyes tried to deny

508
00:20:58,970 --> 00:20:56,160
it was there because Ed's story of mine

509
00:21:01,970 --> 00:20:58,980
correlate more than his does

510
00:21:03,289 --> 00:21:01,980
both of your guys join us yes

511
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interesting

512
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so and and just look at the binder

513
00:21:11,029 --> 00:21:08,160
itself and this is one of the hours

514
00:21:13,549 --> 00:21:11,039
around when that took place okay it came

515
00:21:14,990 --> 00:21:13,559
out in a shooting in Glendale we were

516
00:21:17,810 --> 00:21:15,000
working with Linda Moulton Howe and

517
00:21:19,070 --> 00:21:17,820
Prometheus entertainment which did which

518
00:21:22,370 --> 00:21:19,080
did the show

519
00:21:24,230 --> 00:21:22,380
um you know uh what is it what is the

520
00:21:26,810 --> 00:21:24,240
Washington aliens Ancient Aliens right

521
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he never showed and hauled it said he'd

522
00:21:30,590 --> 00:21:28,559
handled the remote James Fox and said

523
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he'd handled the notebook never saw the

524
00:21:34,370 --> 00:21:32,340
binary ever in it other people had

525
00:21:36,649 --> 00:21:34,380
looked at that notebook too now when he

526
00:21:39,049 --> 00:21:36,659
brought it out there I questioned he had

527
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the wrong date so he had the date that

528
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Master Hall memo I said bring a notebook

529
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and let's look at it now I thought I'd

530
00:21:46,730 --> 00:21:44,820
get to see it the night before to

531
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understand it didn't spring it up when

532
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we met for a little bit on set we're

533
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sitting there at the table and and he

534
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has me in a notebook and I'm looking at

535
00:21:58,730 --> 00:21:55,559
it and all of a sudden these ones and

536
00:22:01,970 --> 00:21:58,740
zeros are there and it fits perfectly to

537
00:22:03,289 --> 00:22:01,980
the ancient alien hypothesis which at

538
00:22:04,909 --> 00:22:03,299
the point they were only going to do a

539
00:22:07,789 --> 00:22:04,919
15-minute segment and then go over and

540
00:22:09,649 --> 00:22:07,799
do a documentary on the 30 years well

541
00:22:12,830 --> 00:22:09,659
they changed the whole show to an hour

542
00:22:14,350 --> 00:22:12,840
long but here's the kicker the uh the

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00:22:17,990 --> 00:22:14,360
binary codes

544
00:22:20,210 --> 00:22:18,000
identify specific areas okay so like if

545
00:22:22,010 --> 00:22:20,220
you go on the The National skull lines

546
00:22:24,409 --> 00:22:22,020
it's an area on the nazco lines right

547
00:22:26,090 --> 00:22:24,419
well those codes were found because

548
00:22:28,130 --> 00:22:26,100
there was a guy doing an investigation

549
00:22:30,409 --> 00:22:28,140
on this because he was interested in

550
00:22:32,510 --> 00:22:30,419
China that was the weird one right right

551
00:22:34,130 --> 00:22:32,520
he found all the codes on an ancient

552
00:22:36,830 --> 00:22:34,140
website that had been out three years

553
00:22:38,270 --> 00:22:36,840
before peniston even came forward with

554
00:22:41,350 --> 00:22:38,280
the binary

555
00:22:44,510 --> 00:22:41,360
the same exact zeros and ones yes

556
00:22:46,430 --> 00:22:44,520
that's pretty long right yeah no but see

557
00:22:49,970 --> 00:22:46,440
where you put the decimal point is where

558
00:22:52,789 --> 00:22:49,980
the point will be on the site okay so

559
00:22:55,909 --> 00:22:52,799
you could put Sedona could be of the

560
00:22:59,090 --> 00:22:55,919
burial mounds farther down from Sedona

561
00:23:02,690 --> 00:22:59,100
but the exact points on this ancient

562
00:23:04,850 --> 00:23:02,700
site match the sites that they decipher

563
00:23:06,770 --> 00:23:04,860
and stuff and then all the only excuse

564
00:23:09,830 --> 00:23:06,780
they gave was the site had been hacked

565
00:23:11,750 --> 00:23:09,840
and discredit his story they couldn't it

566
00:23:14,470 --> 00:23:11,760
just there's just too many discrepancies

567
00:23:16,970 --> 00:23:14,480
with this whole thing that just

568
00:23:19,130 --> 00:23:16,980
ronaldson doesn't need that Ransom

569
00:23:21,350 --> 00:23:19,140
happened the government

570
00:23:23,570 --> 00:23:21,360
tried to act like they weren't covered

571
00:23:25,430 --> 00:23:23,580
enough but they did and there's so much

572
00:23:27,470 --> 00:23:25,440
more we can go into why I can show you

573
00:23:29,930 --> 00:23:27,480
they covered it up without all this

574
00:23:31,430 --> 00:23:29,940
other stuff coming out which again if

575
00:23:33,529 --> 00:23:31,440
he'd come out with that notebook right

576
00:23:35,810 --> 00:23:33,539
away say he held it until he got out and

577
00:23:38,649 --> 00:23:35,820
then did it all more believable but why

578
00:23:41,210 --> 00:23:38,659
wait for the 20 and 30 year mark

579
00:23:43,730 --> 00:23:41,220
and then the codes being found and the

580
00:23:46,430 --> 00:23:43,740
glycer found on on equipment that was

581
00:23:47,930 --> 00:23:46,440
being sold in Germany see these guys

582
00:23:49,310 --> 00:23:47,940
that when he came out with this there

583
00:23:51,289 --> 00:23:49,320
were some hardcore people that looked

584
00:23:53,750 --> 00:23:51,299
into this stuff and they were just like

585
00:23:55,850 --> 00:23:53,760
wait a minute this stuff this wasn't me

586
00:23:57,409 --> 00:23:55,860
Jordan it's just the facts started

587
00:23:59,630 --> 00:23:57,419
coming out that a lot of this just

588
00:24:01,730 --> 00:23:59,640
doesn't add up but you people can

589
00:24:05,510 --> 00:24:01,740
believe what they want and and there is

590
00:24:08,510 --> 00:24:05,520
a cult following behind the binary but I

591
00:24:10,430 --> 00:24:08,520
I mean that's that's hearing or there I

592
00:24:12,950 --> 00:24:10,440
mean really the the truth of the matter

593
00:24:15,890 --> 00:24:12,960
is our incident and how it affected

594
00:24:17,630 --> 00:24:15,900
people health-wise and what it means in

595
00:24:19,909 --> 00:24:17,640
the grand scheme of what we're dealing

596
00:24:22,190 --> 00:24:19,919
with going forward to include to the

597
00:24:25,669 --> 00:24:22,200
modern day

598
00:24:28,549 --> 00:24:25,679
now about the health effects

599
00:24:31,130 --> 00:24:28,559
um if peniston was the closest one to

600
00:24:34,370 --> 00:24:31,140
the object I've never really heard him

601
00:24:36,830 --> 00:24:34,380
speak of any he did and then he back off

602
00:24:39,409 --> 00:24:36,840
on it um when we did the herrings and

603
00:24:42,230 --> 00:24:39,419
Steve Bassett the the citizens hearings

604
00:24:44,930 --> 00:24:42,240
yeah well that was my Approach I I

605
00:24:47,090 --> 00:24:44,940
didn't go in with the typical approach I

606
00:24:49,490 --> 00:24:47,100
went in with the human factor the

607
00:24:52,610 --> 00:24:49,500
injuries and I had evidence to support

608
00:24:54,950 --> 00:24:52,620
it including that my my document my

609
00:24:56,990 --> 00:24:54,960
files are classified and when they saw

610
00:24:59,029 --> 00:24:57,000
that they really jumped on it and he

611
00:25:01,130 --> 00:24:59,039
even admitted he was getting disability

612
00:25:03,770 --> 00:25:01,140
and had some issues with his heart and

613
00:25:06,110 --> 00:25:03,780
some other things and then when the CIA

614
00:25:08,510 --> 00:25:06,120
guy showed up later after that that's

615
00:25:10,789 --> 00:25:08,520
when he tried to walk a lot of it back

616
00:25:13,490 --> 00:25:10,799
but he's on tape saying that he had

617
00:25:15,590 --> 00:25:13,500
issues health issues from it and not he

618
00:25:17,570 --> 00:25:15,600
wasn't the closest to it and I'm just

619
00:25:19,490 --> 00:25:17,580
going off of the reason why people

620
00:25:22,190 --> 00:25:19,500
question why didn't he get as sick as I

621
00:25:23,570 --> 00:25:22,200
did well if you believe what Adrian said

622
00:25:25,909 --> 00:25:23,580
and I say that not because I don't

623
00:25:29,029 --> 00:25:25,919
believe him but I just got close to it

624
00:25:31,730 --> 00:25:29,039
Adrian saw me go in and disappear now if

625
00:25:34,850 --> 00:25:31,740
that's the case then I went into it I

626
00:25:36,950 --> 00:25:34,860
didn't just get close to it I've got an

627
00:25:38,330 --> 00:25:36,960
eyewitness saying I went into it where

628
00:25:41,149 --> 00:25:38,340
penicillin doesn't have anybody

629
00:25:44,090 --> 00:25:41,159
supporting the story other than himself

630
00:25:46,490 --> 00:25:44,100
well according to his book that I've

631
00:25:47,510 --> 00:25:46,500
been reading a little bit of the recent

632
00:25:49,149 --> 00:25:47,520
really

633
00:25:53,990 --> 00:25:49,159
huge book I got it right over there

634
00:25:55,970 --> 00:25:54,000
Enigma uh yeah all right uh but he he

635
00:25:58,250 --> 00:25:55,980
was saying stating in that book that you

636
00:26:00,230 --> 00:25:58,260
were right behind him

637
00:26:01,909 --> 00:26:00,240
I was I was right behind him I told you

638
00:26:03,890 --> 00:26:01,919
a couple feet you were right behind him

639
00:26:08,390 --> 00:26:03,900
and he's like at the craft and you

640
00:26:10,430 --> 00:26:08,400
didn't see the craft no so wow okay

641
00:26:12,710 --> 00:26:10,440
so it's it's interesting sorry go ahead

642
00:26:14,870 --> 00:26:12,720
Martin no I'm done I was just going to

643
00:26:16,010 --> 00:26:14,880
add that um there have been many times

644
00:26:16,789 --> 00:26:16,020
when

645
00:26:20,029 --> 00:26:16,799
um

646
00:26:21,710 --> 00:26:20,039
when when people have seen craft and

647
00:26:23,390 --> 00:26:21,720
others had have not

648
00:26:26,330 --> 00:26:23,400
and they're standing next to each other

649
00:26:28,430 --> 00:26:26,340
I saw something I I did it in my

650
00:26:30,649 --> 00:26:28,440
statement now the

651
00:26:32,510 --> 00:26:30,659
Challenge and everything you said I'm

652
00:26:34,490 --> 00:26:32,520
just saying you have to look at the

653
00:26:36,830 --> 00:26:34,500
consistency of the notebook the glyphs

654
00:26:39,830 --> 00:26:36,840
the binary and how is its stories

655
00:26:42,350 --> 00:26:39,840
expanded and it's expanded with no

656
00:26:44,390 --> 00:26:42,360
corroborating evidence or anybody else

657
00:26:46,730 --> 00:26:44,400
backing it up right that's all I'm

658
00:26:48,649 --> 00:26:46,740
saying it's another thing was I have

659
00:26:50,390 --> 00:26:48,659
somebody that's not I didn't say I went

660
00:26:53,450 --> 00:26:50,400
into it I have somebody who saw me go

661
00:26:55,789 --> 00:26:53,460
into it you know pennison said I was at

662
00:26:58,070 --> 00:26:55,799
one point he said he testified or didn't

663
00:27:01,190 --> 00:26:58,080
testify but made a statement that he saw

664
00:27:02,990 --> 00:27:01,200
the light come over me and engulf me I

665
00:27:04,669 --> 00:27:03,000
never said any of that okay I don't

666
00:27:06,409 --> 00:27:04,679
remember that I never claimed to

667
00:27:09,169 --> 00:27:06,419
remember that I never changed my story

668
00:27:11,269 --> 00:27:09,179
but when someone starts adding stuff on

669
00:27:14,330 --> 00:27:11,279
and there's nobody else to cooperate it

670
00:27:16,250 --> 00:27:14,340
there should be further investigation on

671
00:27:18,169 --> 00:27:16,260
it and not just taking it

672
00:27:19,909 --> 00:27:18,179
for their word and just like the

673
00:27:22,190 --> 00:27:19,919
notebook notebook would have come out

674
00:27:24,710 --> 00:27:22,200
right away fine or even at the 20-year

675
00:27:26,450 --> 00:27:24,720
Mark the binary end but how come nobody

676
00:27:28,010 --> 00:27:26,460
saw the binary until the 30-year Mark

677
00:27:30,409 --> 00:27:28,020
well he claims because he kept it out

678
00:27:32,269 --> 00:27:30,419
well then if he did want it out why did

679
00:27:34,549 --> 00:27:32,279
he bring in some Prometheus good look at

680
00:27:35,810 --> 00:27:34,559
it which fell right into their own

681
00:27:38,210 --> 00:27:35,820
wheelhouse

682
00:27:40,070 --> 00:27:38,220
right I need an hour piece on him being

683
00:27:42,350 --> 00:27:40,080
the Messiah

684
00:27:44,870 --> 00:27:42,360
when I saw the piece they showed it to

685
00:27:47,450 --> 00:27:44,880
us beforehand I just shook my head I

686
00:27:49,970 --> 00:27:47,460
took Kim's Sharon off I said boy you

687
00:27:52,430 --> 00:27:49,980
screwed this case I said you turned this

688
00:27:55,370 --> 00:27:52,440
guy into the Messiah

689
00:27:57,250 --> 00:27:55,380
you know and it did the whole show was

690
00:28:00,230 --> 00:27:57,260
unbelievable

691
00:28:03,730 --> 00:28:00,240
the story that I had heard was that

692
00:28:05,890 --> 00:28:03,740
he was showing the crew the book

693
00:28:09,890 --> 00:28:05,900
The Notebook

694
00:28:12,529 --> 00:28:09,900
on location right yes and then he was

695
00:28:15,529 --> 00:28:12,539
going through it and then he was rifling

696
00:28:19,610 --> 00:28:15,539
through it and towards the end they had

697
00:28:21,230 --> 00:28:19,620
the the zeros and ones and I think Linda

698
00:28:24,350 --> 00:28:21,240
I'm not sure it was Linda or Jim say

699
00:28:26,450 --> 00:28:24,360
they were like what what's that well I

700
00:28:28,190 --> 00:28:26,460
did I said what is this then they all

701
00:28:30,350 --> 00:28:28,200
jumped on it but see that's even where

702
00:28:31,970 --> 00:28:30,360
he's made up a story on that he claimed

703
00:28:34,549 --> 00:28:31,980
that he was forced into this later

704
00:28:37,070 --> 00:28:34,559
that's not the truth as soon as he saw

705
00:28:39,350 --> 00:28:37,080
it they went back and re-interviewed him

706
00:28:41,210 --> 00:28:39,360
for like two and a half hours he openly

707
00:28:43,789 --> 00:28:41,220
and agreeably went through the interview

708
00:28:45,049 --> 00:28:43,799
and allowed it to go into the show do

709
00:28:46,909 --> 00:28:45,059
you understand what I mean he never

710
00:28:48,230 --> 00:28:46,919
could even get the amount of pages he

711
00:28:51,529 --> 00:28:48,240
had straight forever

712
00:28:53,269 --> 00:28:51,539
it was 13 16 this that whatever there's

713
00:28:55,610 --> 00:28:53,279
people that claim to be added stuff to

714
00:28:57,649 --> 00:28:55,620
it later all I'm getting at is the

715
00:28:59,690 --> 00:28:57,659
incidence real there's a lot of people

716
00:29:00,470 --> 00:28:59,700
that don't like the incident because of

717
00:29:02,750 --> 00:29:00,480
that

718
00:29:04,730 --> 00:29:02,760
and I I don't totally disagree with it

719
00:29:06,470 --> 00:29:04,740
do you know what I mean there's no

720
00:29:09,049 --> 00:29:06,480
supporting evidence other than what he

721
00:29:11,330 --> 00:29:09,059
claims and again why did he put it in

722
00:29:13,789 --> 00:29:11,340
his notebook if he never wanted it out

723
00:29:15,490 --> 00:29:13,799
he put it in there so Prometheus would

724
00:29:19,010 --> 00:29:15,500
see it

725
00:29:20,870 --> 00:29:19,020
that's why Fox and halt never saw it

726
00:29:22,010 --> 00:29:20,880
they never saw it because they went

727
00:29:23,750 --> 00:29:22,020
through the notebook because they never

728
00:29:24,830 --> 00:29:23,760
had it in there because it's a loose

729
00:29:27,049 --> 00:29:24,840
leaf notebook

730
00:29:28,970 --> 00:29:27,059
John what's the book that you wrote I

731
00:29:32,450 --> 00:29:28,980
think you wrote with Nick Pope

732
00:29:33,710 --> 00:29:32,460
right I was in peniston and Penn what

733
00:29:36,289 --> 00:29:33,720
was the name of that book and would you

734
00:29:38,990 --> 00:29:36,299
recommend that book or whatever so for

735
00:29:41,210 --> 00:29:39,000
us um it's a vanilla version

736
00:29:43,130 --> 00:29:41,220
um of what happened uh Nick wanted to

737
00:29:45,289 --> 00:29:43,140
write it that way because he wanted to

738
00:29:47,210 --> 00:29:45,299
follow the Leslie Kingman

739
00:29:50,029 --> 00:29:47,220
um you know method of putting out

740
00:29:52,310 --> 00:29:50,039
generalizations and stuff hoping that if

741
00:29:54,830 --> 00:29:52,320
things move forward with all everything

742
00:29:57,470 --> 00:29:54,840
going on this book would catch on you

743
00:29:59,510 --> 00:29:57,480
know as far as you know and if you

744
00:30:02,269 --> 00:29:59,520
notice there's very little in the binary

745
00:30:04,549 --> 00:30:02,279
about it and even Nick even challenged

746
00:30:07,190 --> 00:30:04,559
the binary in the book so

747
00:30:09,889 --> 00:30:07,200
hmm so

748
00:30:11,990 --> 00:30:09,899
go ahead I'm just saying it it did well

749
00:30:13,970 --> 00:30:12,000
I mean it's so well it was encounters

750
00:30:15,889 --> 00:30:13,980
and Reynolds and forests

751
00:30:17,450 --> 00:30:15,899
um there was too much left out in my

752
00:30:19,970 --> 00:30:17,460
opinion and what I mean by left that was

753
00:30:22,370 --> 00:30:19,980
he didn't Nick refused to really expand

754
00:30:25,610 --> 00:30:22,380
on Project condyn which is a key to a

755
00:30:27,950 --> 00:30:25,620
lot of what is going on to this day

756
00:30:30,350 --> 00:30:27,960
so I didn't like that part of it you

757
00:30:32,149 --> 00:30:30,360
know I just never agreed with the fact

758
00:30:35,090 --> 00:30:32,159
that he always like Nick likes to hold

759
00:30:36,769 --> 00:30:35,100
things in the rears to use it as bait in

760
00:30:40,610 --> 00:30:36,779
my opinion A lot of times

761
00:30:41,990 --> 00:30:40,620
so yeah well I thought I've always said

762
00:30:45,110 --> 00:30:42,000
that this

763
00:30:47,210 --> 00:30:45,120
incident is in my top five incidents

764
00:30:48,950 --> 00:30:47,220
when people ask me you know what what

765
00:30:51,289 --> 00:30:48,960
are your what is what do you think is

766
00:30:53,630 --> 00:30:51,299
the really you know top five incidents

767
00:30:55,430 --> 00:30:53,640
this is one of them and one of the uh

768
00:30:59,330 --> 00:30:55,440
things I'm wondering if you're aware of

769
00:31:04,389 --> 00:30:59,340
supposedly there's a mandate that the uh

770
00:31:07,370 --> 00:31:04,399
what's it called uh Dean that the UFO

771
00:31:08,990 --> 00:31:07,380
help me here the what they're doing the

772
00:31:10,730 --> 00:31:09,000
government research there's a hearing

773
00:31:12,169 --> 00:31:10,740
coming up oh the the Congressional

774
00:31:15,649 --> 00:31:12,179
hearings that have been going on where

775
00:31:17,690 --> 00:31:15,659
they're the UAP task force well that's

776
00:31:21,769 --> 00:31:17,700
the old name for it but anyway it's it's

777
00:31:24,649 --> 00:31:21,779
that that more or less but they have a

778
00:31:27,350 --> 00:31:24,659
mandate that um I saw you know I saw

779
00:31:32,930 --> 00:31:27,360
parts of it in documents for next year

780
00:31:36,649 --> 00:31:32,940
to in 2023 to look at cases from 1940

781
00:31:39,110 --> 00:31:36,659
I think 1940 forward and I think when

782
00:31:41,570 --> 00:31:39,120
this involves a military case they're

783
00:31:44,330 --> 00:31:41,580
definitely going to be uh looking to

784
00:31:46,250 --> 00:31:44,340
that one well here's the thing okay

785
00:31:48,230 --> 00:31:46,260
I I have to be careful what I say

786
00:31:53,269 --> 00:31:48,240
because I've spoken to people inside

787
00:31:55,430 --> 00:31:53,279
Congress about this oh and and um I can

788
00:31:57,549 --> 00:31:55,440
say this they're not getting any

789
00:32:01,250 --> 00:31:57,559
cooperation from intelligence agencies

790
00:32:03,470 --> 00:32:01,260
so there may be a mandate that they're

791
00:32:06,350 --> 00:32:03,480
supposed to release information to them

792
00:32:08,269 --> 00:32:06,360
but at the point when I spoke to them

793
00:32:10,250 --> 00:32:08,279
what they were given was basically

794
00:32:12,830 --> 00:32:10,260
nothing there were there was no

795
00:32:15,830 --> 00:32:12,840
cooperation coming from the intelligence

796
00:32:18,889 --> 00:32:15,840
agencies and the military uh I believe

797
00:32:20,810 --> 00:32:18,899
that Navy was semi-cooperative but the

798
00:32:22,909 --> 00:32:20,820
Air Force was just had dug in their

799
00:32:26,330 --> 00:32:22,919
heels and were refusing then if you

800
00:32:27,649 --> 00:32:26,340
follow this further the uh DoD said

801
00:32:30,409 --> 00:32:27,659
they're not going to release any more

802
00:32:33,710 --> 00:32:30,419
video or anything because it'll give up

803
00:32:36,350 --> 00:32:33,720
means and measures so there's not

804
00:32:37,789 --> 00:32:36,360
there's really nothing that they're

805
00:32:41,389 --> 00:32:37,799
going to get

806
00:32:42,370 --> 00:32:41,399
from these agencies at least at this

807
00:32:46,010 --> 00:32:42,380
point

808
00:32:47,810 --> 00:32:46,020
well the um the the one bit of

809
00:32:50,269 --> 00:32:47,820
legislation that that is The

810
00:32:53,570 --> 00:32:50,279
Whistleblower one as it's referred to in

811
00:32:56,690 --> 00:32:53,580
in as many as uh and other terms as well

812
00:32:58,610 --> 00:32:56,700
is that hasn't been passed yet so well

813
00:33:00,889 --> 00:32:58,620
it was passed it just hadn't been signed

814
00:33:03,350 --> 00:33:00,899
hasn't been signed so that's a weird

815
00:33:06,110 --> 00:33:03,360
thing in itself why is it taking so long

816
00:33:08,090 --> 00:33:06,120
to sign I can tell you this and I'll let

817
00:33:10,370 --> 00:33:08,100
you answer a question the whistle or X

818
00:33:11,990 --> 00:33:10,380
not going to change anything

819
00:33:19,549 --> 00:33:12,000
if

820
00:33:22,310 --> 00:33:19,559
unless the Handler that's handling the

821
00:33:25,250 --> 00:33:22,320
case allows me to talk about it I'm

822
00:33:26,810 --> 00:33:25,260
violating my security oath in

823
00:33:30,289 --> 00:33:26,820
you know as far as national security

824
00:33:32,029 --> 00:33:30,299
goes okay and one of the questions I ask

825
00:33:34,549 --> 00:33:32,039
and I'm not going to go into too much

826
00:33:37,909 --> 00:33:34,559
detail other than I challenge what Lou

827
00:33:40,549 --> 00:33:37,919
has not testified yet to somebody that's

828
00:33:42,830 --> 00:33:40,559
involved and I was told that he's not

829
00:33:44,509 --> 00:33:42,840
going to be allowed to testify because

830
00:33:47,149 --> 00:33:44,519
the people involved with this stuff

831
00:33:49,009 --> 00:33:47,159
aren't going to release allow him to

832
00:33:52,009 --> 00:33:49,019
talk about it they're not going to

833
00:33:54,350 --> 00:33:52,019
release the the a lot of the data that

834
00:33:55,250 --> 00:33:54,360
he's aware of to be Declassified to talk

835
00:33:58,370 --> 00:33:55,260
about

836
00:34:00,049 --> 00:33:58,380
so this whole whistleblower Act if it's

837
00:34:02,149 --> 00:34:00,059
classified you can't just it doesn't

838
00:34:04,430 --> 00:34:02,159
give me a right to just go and talk

839
00:34:07,789 --> 00:34:04,440
about it no and the point I wanted to

840
00:34:10,669 --> 00:34:07,799
make is that as soon as an event happens

841
00:34:11,869 --> 00:34:10,679
they don't go like seti which is

842
00:34:14,510 --> 00:34:11,879
supposed to go to the public because

843
00:34:17,690 --> 00:34:14,520
it's a public basically you know a

844
00:34:20,149 --> 00:34:17,700
sponsored program and so they have and

845
00:34:22,609 --> 00:34:20,159
and Seth uh showstack has talked about

846
00:34:24,470 --> 00:34:22,619
this it it goes right to the media and

847
00:34:26,930 --> 00:34:24,480
the media does their own version of that

848
00:34:28,970 --> 00:34:26,940
and puts her own spin on it whereas if

849
00:34:31,250 --> 00:34:28,980
something happens uh and you're in the

850
00:34:32,810 --> 00:34:31,260
military it goes up to your commander

851
00:34:34,909 --> 00:34:32,820
that's how that happens no matter what

852
00:34:36,889 --> 00:34:34,919
even if it's there's someone's you know

853
00:34:38,810 --> 00:34:36,899
spilled a mop and and you trip you're

854
00:34:41,990 --> 00:34:38,820
not going to go out and say this so it

855
00:34:43,669 --> 00:34:42,000
still is going to be filtered so I that

856
00:34:46,369 --> 00:34:43,679
that wasn't very impressive for me as

857
00:34:49,070 --> 00:34:46,379
far as you know the Whistleblower thing

858
00:34:50,990 --> 00:34:49,080
um you're right we can't and the mop

859
00:34:54,050 --> 00:34:51,000
thing's a little kind of overboard but

860
00:34:56,690 --> 00:34:54,060
like for example when when rendelson

861
00:34:58,370 --> 00:34:56,700
finally got out or Ben what was this and

862
00:35:01,490 --> 00:34:58,380
it's not been out

863
00:35:02,810 --> 00:35:01,500
um I had no idea about it I I was

864
00:35:04,490 --> 00:35:02,820
completely caught off guard my phone

865
00:35:07,970 --> 00:35:04,500
started ringing

866
00:35:10,069 --> 00:35:07,980
um and I I there were like

867
00:35:11,329 --> 00:35:10,079
all of the world was calling me I I

868
00:35:12,950 --> 00:35:11,339
first of all I wasn't how they got my

869
00:35:15,290 --> 00:35:12,960
number because it wasn't even under my

870
00:35:17,870 --> 00:35:15,300
name it was under my roommate's name but

871
00:35:20,089 --> 00:35:17,880
they they've tracked me down and I blew

872
00:35:22,910 --> 00:35:20,099
all of them off until CNN called

873
00:35:24,470 --> 00:35:22,920
and then at that point and he told me he

874
00:35:26,510 --> 00:35:24,480
was coming out to Phoenix to interview

875
00:35:27,890 --> 00:35:26,520
me so at that point I had to go to

876
00:35:32,329 --> 00:35:27,900
public affairs

877
00:35:33,890 --> 00:35:32,339
through the Pentagon and I had to speak

878
00:35:36,890 --> 00:35:33,900
to the Pentagon about what I couldn't

879
00:35:38,870 --> 00:35:36,900
could say about the incident before I

880
00:35:42,890 --> 00:35:38,880
could go and talk to him

881
00:35:45,410 --> 00:35:42,900
so there it's not just oh they sign this

882
00:35:48,530 --> 00:35:45,420
thing and now oh John you could come up

883
00:35:51,050 --> 00:35:48,540
and talk to us now no no I can't yeah I

884
00:35:53,329 --> 00:35:51,060
can come up there and if it's a

885
00:35:57,050 --> 00:35:53,339
classified briefing where it's behind

886
00:35:59,030 --> 00:35:57,060
closed doors then I can talk but do go

887
00:36:01,730 --> 00:35:59,040
go in front of the public and the public

888
00:36:03,290 --> 00:36:01,740
hearing no I can't do that and even then

889
00:36:05,990 --> 00:36:03,300
I'm gonna have to get permission to talk

890
00:36:08,690 --> 00:36:06,000
about it inside the classified area you

891
00:36:10,190 --> 00:36:08,700
know on top of in that hearing what did

892
00:36:12,230 --> 00:36:10,200
they ask one of the questions asked was

893
00:36:15,050 --> 00:36:12,240
have we developed technology off of UAP

894
00:36:17,930 --> 00:36:15,060
well we'll take that behind closed doors

895
00:36:20,390 --> 00:36:17,940
so anything of value people think

896
00:36:22,370 --> 00:36:20,400
disclosure is coming anything of value

897
00:36:24,170 --> 00:36:22,380
if it's deemed National Security where

898
00:36:27,349 --> 00:36:24,180
you and I or anybody else agrees with it

899
00:36:29,930 --> 00:36:27,359
if it falls under that and heading it's

900
00:36:31,670 --> 00:36:29,940
good luck trying to get it out

901
00:36:33,170 --> 00:36:31,680
you know what I mean

902
00:36:35,750 --> 00:36:33,180
wow

903
00:36:37,190 --> 00:36:35,760
uh so if you

904
00:36:39,650 --> 00:36:37,200
um

905
00:36:42,589 --> 00:36:39,660
right after this happened

906
00:36:47,390 --> 00:36:42,599
uh what was what was the Fallout like

907
00:36:48,950 --> 00:36:47,400
was there indeed a drug used

908
00:36:51,770 --> 00:36:48,960
um that that that's something I've heard

909
00:36:54,470 --> 00:36:51,780
a lot over the years and was were you

910
00:36:57,109 --> 00:36:54,480
were you I mean can you even talk about

911
00:36:59,750 --> 00:36:57,119
it were you no I for me for me here's

912
00:37:01,910 --> 00:36:59,760
the thing I I remember they eventually

913
00:37:03,470 --> 00:37:01,920
we went home on our three day break when

914
00:37:05,990 --> 00:37:03,480
I came back Monday they had me write a

915
00:37:07,370 --> 00:37:06,000
statement to turn into the wing staff on

916
00:37:10,010 --> 00:37:07,380
Tuesday I would have been the Wing King

917
00:37:11,390 --> 00:37:10,020
the base commander and then Colonel hot

918
00:37:13,550 --> 00:37:11,400
was involved

919
00:37:16,670 --> 00:37:13,560
um went in handed my statement in which

920
00:37:18,950 --> 00:37:16,680
has been made public that got released

921
00:37:21,829 --> 00:37:18,960
um eventually but went in stood there

922
00:37:23,810 --> 00:37:21,839
and and lie me kabansack and Patterson

923
00:37:26,089 --> 00:37:23,820
Patterson was the ranking guy did all

924
00:37:27,890 --> 00:37:26,099
the Talking got told that they were

925
00:37:30,890 --> 00:37:27,900
looking into it they get back to us they

926
00:37:33,290 --> 00:37:30,900
needed anything from us and to go were

927
00:37:35,990 --> 00:37:33,300
dismissed now Henderson's gone on the

928
00:37:38,170 --> 00:37:36,000
record claiming he was interrogated it's

929
00:37:40,670 --> 00:37:38,180
interesting that at first he he never

930
00:37:41,750 --> 00:37:40,680
remembered the the Sony and pedophile

931
00:37:44,390 --> 00:37:41,760
and all that until he went under

932
00:37:46,370 --> 00:37:44,400
hypnosis he just said that halt talked

933
00:37:48,470 --> 00:37:46,380
him quite a bit about it but then after

934
00:37:50,870 --> 00:37:48,480
the hypnosis that he did then his story

935
00:37:53,450 --> 00:37:50,880
started kind of intermixing where it

936
00:37:56,329 --> 00:37:53,460
went from this is hypnosis memory this

937
00:38:00,650 --> 00:37:56,339
is what I remember to this is kind of

938
00:38:03,109 --> 00:38:00,660
the story now you know but in reality

939
00:38:04,430 --> 00:38:03,119
um uh bacinda said he was called in and

940
00:38:07,609 --> 00:38:04,440
interrogated

941
00:38:09,530 --> 00:38:07,619
um so yes there is some

942
00:38:12,290 --> 00:38:09,540
people that have stated they were

943
00:38:13,970 --> 00:38:12,300
intimidated interrogated and possibly

944
00:38:16,670 --> 00:38:13,980
they had

945
00:38:18,109 --> 00:38:16,680
um hypnosis or sodium pedophilus on them

946
00:38:22,250 --> 00:38:18,119
yeah

947
00:38:24,710 --> 00:38:22,260
um if were you told like Point Blank do

948
00:38:27,230 --> 00:38:24,720
not talk about this

949
00:38:28,310 --> 00:38:27,240
I no because I wasn't talking to the

950
00:38:30,170 --> 00:38:28,320
wing staff

951
00:38:33,050 --> 00:38:30,180
do you understand what I mean peniston

952
00:38:35,270 --> 00:38:33,060
was doing the talking and he was told we

953
00:38:37,670 --> 00:38:35,280
were kind of told we were kind of just

954
00:38:40,130 --> 00:38:37,680
told informed that what this is what I

955
00:38:41,510 --> 00:38:40,140
remember we're looking into it if we

956
00:38:43,670 --> 00:38:41,520
need something from me we'll let you

957
00:38:45,470 --> 00:38:43,680
know you're dismissed so you weren't

958
00:38:48,410 --> 00:38:45,480
told like do not talk about this to

959
00:38:51,050 --> 00:38:48,420
anyone no I mean but we weren't going to

960
00:38:53,329 --> 00:38:51,060
talk about it it was a it was already a

961
00:38:55,730 --> 00:38:53,339
cardinal rule do you understand how to

962
00:38:57,109 --> 00:38:55,740
be we were involved in an incident and

963
00:38:58,910 --> 00:38:57,119
we're just not allowed to go out and

964
00:39:00,770 --> 00:38:58,920
talk about an incident there are

965
00:39:02,569 --> 00:39:00,780
ramifications if you're involved in an

966
00:39:04,490 --> 00:39:02,579
incident like it doesn't matter if it's

967
00:39:06,589 --> 00:39:04,500
a UFO it could just be an incident where

968
00:39:09,530 --> 00:39:06,599
I was involved if I go talking about it

969
00:39:11,690 --> 00:39:09,540
I'm I can be held accountable for it

970
00:39:14,930 --> 00:39:11,700
well I'm I'm really curious about the

971
00:39:15,950 --> 00:39:14,940
whole um OSI because yeah you had

972
00:39:19,250 --> 00:39:15,960
mentioned

973
00:39:21,890 --> 00:39:19,260
the Navy I mean every every military

974
00:39:22,970 --> 00:39:21,900
force has their own

975
00:39:25,430 --> 00:39:22,980
um Mountain

976
00:39:27,589 --> 00:39:25,440
that they've claimed you know for

977
00:39:29,630 --> 00:39:27,599
themselves and it's always been a

978
00:39:32,450 --> 00:39:29,640
challenge whenever something happens

979
00:39:34,130 --> 00:39:32,460
where what is the universal agreement on

980
00:39:36,290 --> 00:39:34,140
things I mean it's a long you know

981
00:39:38,089 --> 00:39:36,300
history of this but it seems like the

982
00:39:40,250 --> 00:39:38,099
Air Force has been especially once it

983
00:39:41,810 --> 00:39:40,260
was you know created after World War II

984
00:39:46,310 --> 00:39:41,820
that

985
00:39:49,010 --> 00:39:46,320
presided recited over them the

986
00:39:51,410 --> 00:39:49,020
phenomenon if you will and OSI

987
00:39:52,849 --> 00:39:51,420
specifically keeps coming up time and

988
00:39:56,270 --> 00:39:52,859
time again where they come and do the

989
00:39:58,490 --> 00:39:56,280
questioning and and move on did you when

990
00:40:02,569 --> 00:39:58,500
you were debrief did you talk to anyone

991
00:40:04,970 --> 00:40:02,579
from the that specific office well again

992
00:40:06,589 --> 00:40:04,980
the only debrief if you want to call it

993
00:40:08,750 --> 00:40:06,599
that was we talked to shift Commander

994
00:40:11,750 --> 00:40:08,760
after we got off the first night and I

995
00:40:14,450 --> 00:40:11,760
stood in front of the the wing commander

996
00:40:16,670 --> 00:40:14,460
and a base commander and Kurt Hall and I

997
00:40:19,010 --> 00:40:16,680
wrote a statement I I do not remember

998
00:40:20,270 --> 00:40:19,020
other people claim they saw me get

999
00:40:23,270 --> 00:40:20,280
brought in

1000
00:40:24,950 --> 00:40:23,280
if I'm not denying that it couldn't have

1001
00:40:27,950 --> 00:40:24,960
happened I just don't remember it

1002
00:40:30,349 --> 00:40:27,960
happening you know what I mean so could

1003
00:40:33,470 --> 00:40:30,359
I have been you know worked over maybe

1004
00:40:36,290 --> 00:40:33,480
what I do know is that if the book I

1005
00:40:38,750 --> 00:40:36,300
wrote myself I wrote with James worro

1006
00:40:40,670 --> 00:40:38,760
and uh there was different contributing

1007
00:40:42,349 --> 00:40:40,680
authors in it including the lawyer that

1008
00:40:44,810 --> 00:40:42,359
was involved in my settlement with the

1009
00:40:46,250 --> 00:40:44,820
government the staffer from McCain's

1010
00:40:54,710 --> 00:40:46,260
office

1011
00:40:59,210 --> 00:40:56,329
I don't I don't even know how to explain

1012
00:41:00,530 --> 00:40:59,220
it it's just it's just

1013
00:41:02,210 --> 00:41:00,540
well it's interesting because I'm

1014
00:41:03,589 --> 00:41:02,220
listening to you right now

1015
00:41:05,089 --> 00:41:03,599
and

1016
00:41:11,030 --> 00:41:05,099
you

1017
00:41:13,069 --> 00:41:11,040
um with um such conviction because I

1018
00:41:15,650 --> 00:41:13,079
know that this this experience this part

1019
00:41:17,210 --> 00:41:15,660
of the Journey of your life has been in

1020
00:41:19,190 --> 00:41:17,220
some ways co-opted by people or

1021
00:41:22,430 --> 00:41:19,200
Rewritten Which history that's always

1022
00:41:24,890 --> 00:41:22,440
going on right right and so but there

1023
00:41:26,390 --> 00:41:24,900
are areas that are a little bit kind of

1024
00:41:27,890 --> 00:41:26,400
foggy where there are witnesses that say

1025
00:41:29,630 --> 00:41:27,900
this and even for yourself it's kind of

1026
00:41:31,609 --> 00:41:29,640
like I was there but I'm not sure the

1027
00:41:34,430 --> 00:41:31,619
disappearing thing I don't remember it

1028
00:41:36,109 --> 00:41:34,440
sounds like we're talking 42 years ago

1029
00:41:38,410 --> 00:41:36,119
well yeah but we are but here's the

1030
00:41:41,750 --> 00:41:38,420
thing when I wrote the book weapons

1031
00:41:44,870 --> 00:41:41,760
weaponizations an OSI guy I got through

1032
00:41:47,870 --> 00:41:44,880
another OSI guy wrote a wrote me an

1033
00:41:50,329 --> 00:41:47,880
email it's in the book tell me how he

1034
00:41:51,950 --> 00:41:50,339
this is how when it happened now I

1035
00:41:53,690 --> 00:41:51,960
confirmed this with Colonel halt that

1036
00:41:56,150 --> 00:41:53,700
this OSI guy was there and involved and

1037
00:41:58,750 --> 00:41:56,160
he confirmed it and when I let him read

1038
00:42:01,190 --> 00:41:58,760
the email Halton denied

1039
00:42:03,410 --> 00:42:01,200
you know he didn't deny what the guy

1040
00:42:05,810 --> 00:42:03,420
said took place that there was

1041
00:42:07,609 --> 00:42:05,820
Intelligence agencies brought in they

1042
00:42:09,410 --> 00:42:07,619
were they were concerned about there was

1043
00:42:11,630 --> 00:42:09,420
an anomaly always showed up before our

1044
00:42:13,550 --> 00:42:11,640
events happened they brought the NSA in

1045
00:42:15,349 --> 00:42:13,560
to try to figure out what that anomaly

1046
00:42:17,329 --> 00:42:15,359
was there was all kinds of things going

1047
00:42:18,950 --> 00:42:17,339
on to include that the fact that there

1048
00:42:21,530 --> 00:42:18,960
was all kinds of top secret testing

1049
00:42:23,089 --> 00:42:21,540
going on right outside the back gate to

1050
00:42:24,950 --> 00:42:23,099
include the fact that there was a

1051
00:42:26,030 --> 00:42:24,960
phenomenon being studied by the British

1052
00:42:28,250 --> 00:42:26,040
government

1053
00:42:30,290 --> 00:42:28,260
that that was confirmed by Andrew Pike

1054
00:42:31,790 --> 00:42:30,300
that was involved in the study now he

1055
00:42:34,069 --> 00:42:31,800
gets mad if I say he was doing it with

1056
00:42:35,450 --> 00:42:34,079
the British government but it was funded

1057
00:42:37,790 --> 00:42:35,460
by the British government through the

1058
00:42:40,250 --> 00:42:37,800
university that he was conducting this

1059
00:42:41,810 --> 00:42:40,260
phenomenon he wrote a book about it so

1060
00:42:43,970 --> 00:42:41,820
the point being is is there was all

1061
00:42:47,390 --> 00:42:43,980
kinds of stuff going on there's also the

1062
00:42:48,950 --> 00:42:47,400
Cold War the Russians the The OSI guy

1063
00:42:50,329 --> 00:42:48,960
claimed it was probably they were

1064
00:42:51,530 --> 00:42:50,339
concerned at first it may have been some

1065
00:42:54,770 --> 00:42:51,540
kind of Russian

1066
00:42:56,930 --> 00:42:54,780
thing going on he even stated that the

1067
00:42:58,370 --> 00:42:56,940
Russians we and this was something that

1068
00:43:01,370 --> 00:42:58,380
never went public but there was a couple

1069
00:43:03,470 --> 00:43:01,380
Russians agents that got caught out

1070
00:43:05,510 --> 00:43:03,480
there at the time now handcuffed for me

1071
00:43:07,130 --> 00:43:05,520
that came from the suicide guy so you

1072
00:43:08,450 --> 00:43:07,140
take it from what you want to take well

1073
00:43:12,290 --> 00:43:08,460
just in the context of History we're

1074
00:43:14,630 --> 00:43:12,300
talking December 1980. yeah so that's

1075
00:43:17,150 --> 00:43:14,640
smack dab at the beginning they going

1076
00:43:19,250 --> 00:43:17,160
from first to second gear with Reagan

1077
00:43:22,190 --> 00:43:19,260
who's in office

1078
00:43:24,950 --> 00:43:22,200
and and he throws down you know I'm not

1079
00:43:28,849 --> 00:43:24,960
sure when he made it no no Reagan didn't

1080
00:43:33,050 --> 00:43:30,410
until January okay that's that's an

1081
00:43:35,390 --> 00:43:33,060
important distinction so so at that

1082
00:43:37,130 --> 00:43:35,400
moment it it the relationship hadn't

1083
00:43:39,530 --> 00:43:37,140
been checked like when Reagan came and

1084
00:43:41,809 --> 00:43:39,540
called him the evil empire according to

1085
00:43:43,309 --> 00:43:41,819
the Star Wars uh uh term but it was

1086
00:43:45,530 --> 00:43:43,319
definitely Cold War was definitely hot

1087
00:43:49,670 --> 00:43:45,540
and heavy so that's not out of the realm

1088
00:43:52,250 --> 00:43:49,680
of them being a presence of them being

1089
00:43:55,010 --> 00:43:52,260
there but I'm I'm curious and I asked

1090
00:43:56,690 --> 00:43:55,020
Jim this question and it's why do you

1091
00:43:59,030 --> 00:43:56,700
think this happened and and I'm

1092
00:44:00,950 --> 00:43:59,040
interested in two levels one is just in

1093
00:44:01,849 --> 00:44:00,960
a procedural way of of why this might

1094
00:44:03,890 --> 00:44:01,859
have happened

1095
00:44:06,890 --> 00:44:03,900
and but the second is

1096
00:44:08,390 --> 00:44:06,900
you know looking at it from uh from

1097
00:44:10,670 --> 00:44:08,400
their perspective what would you know

1098
00:44:12,589 --> 00:44:10,680
from from whomever this technology was

1099
00:44:14,750 --> 00:44:12,599
we're going to run out of time here so I

1100
00:44:17,390 --> 00:44:14,760
want to get into the the key part that

1101
00:44:19,130 --> 00:44:17,400
we may not be able to cover is my what

1102
00:44:21,530 --> 00:44:19,140
the way the government had treated me

1103
00:44:23,510 --> 00:44:21,540
with my injuries okay sure now the

1104
00:44:25,490 --> 00:44:23,520
procedural part was people have

1105
00:44:26,809 --> 00:44:25,500
speculated the basement was going on I

1106
00:44:28,609 --> 00:44:26,819
don't think they did at least on the

1107
00:44:31,790 --> 00:44:28,619
first night there's been some stuff

1108
00:44:34,130 --> 00:44:31,800
sustained it later on the Williams may

1109
00:44:36,829 --> 00:44:34,140
have got briefed or not got brief okay

1110
00:44:38,030 --> 00:44:36,839
but at first I don't think they knew so

1111
00:44:40,010 --> 00:44:38,040
they didn't really know what to do with

1112
00:44:41,930 --> 00:44:40,020
it but down the road I think as things

1113
00:44:45,710 --> 00:44:41,940
started happening

1114
00:44:48,829 --> 00:44:45,720
um that the the higher ups in our base

1115
00:44:50,750 --> 00:44:48,839
chain of command started figure you know

1116
00:44:53,030 --> 00:44:50,760
being briefed on what was going place

1117
00:44:55,430 --> 00:44:53,040
you have to look at the bay outside the

1118
00:44:56,990 --> 00:44:55,440
gate what was going on the marlson heath

1119
00:44:58,970 --> 00:44:57,000
Arya bowsey and some of these other

1120
00:45:01,010 --> 00:44:58,980
facilities that were out there including

1121
00:45:03,349 --> 00:45:01,020
Marconi which was a defense contractor

1122
00:45:04,550 --> 00:45:03,359
that was working on stuff out there and

1123
00:45:06,230 --> 00:45:04,560
the fact that there we're actually

1124
00:45:08,329 --> 00:45:06,240
studying this phenomenon that's still

1125
00:45:10,730 --> 00:45:08,339
there to this thing these are things

1126
00:45:12,410 --> 00:45:10,740
that are real I mean you can't I'm not

1127
00:45:14,870 --> 00:45:12,420
telling you exactly what the phenomenon

1128
00:45:16,069 --> 00:45:14,880
is but it was even in condying which was

1129
00:45:18,410 --> 00:45:16,079
part of my settlement with the

1130
00:45:20,630 --> 00:45:18,420
government it stated that we were

1131
00:45:22,609 --> 00:45:20,640
exposed to UAP radiation

1132
00:45:25,370 --> 00:45:22,619
okay so the guy that authored this

1133
00:45:28,790 --> 00:45:25,380
actually was an engineer that worked

1134
00:45:31,069 --> 00:45:28,800
inside the defense industry and the mod

1135
00:45:33,470 --> 00:45:31,079
um said that we were exposed to UAP

1136
00:45:36,349 --> 00:45:33,480
radiation now the interesting thing was

1137
00:45:37,609 --> 00:45:36,359
when I got sick because before I got

1138
00:45:39,250 --> 00:45:37,619
sick I was just trying to get people

1139
00:45:41,990 --> 00:45:39,260
together to see if we could get a better

1140
00:45:44,329 --> 00:45:42,000
piece of the whole the whole thing right

1141
00:45:46,910 --> 00:45:44,339
let's get together 30th let's try to get

1142
00:45:48,530 --> 00:45:46,920
as many people halt didn't want Warren

1143
00:45:50,630 --> 00:45:48,540
Larry Warren evolved and some other

1144
00:45:53,089 --> 00:45:50,640
people so it turned into a big mess but

1145
00:45:56,150 --> 00:45:53,099
pennison and I were working together

1146
00:45:58,849 --> 00:45:56,160
and so we went over there did everything

1147
00:46:01,910 --> 00:45:58,859
some strange things happened which we

1148
00:46:03,410 --> 00:46:01,920
can maybe go in later but when I came

1149
00:46:05,750 --> 00:46:03,420
back I got sick

1150
00:46:07,970 --> 00:46:05,760
and and I gotten sick right after the

1151
00:46:10,790 --> 00:46:07,980
incident when I started having some

1152
00:46:12,770 --> 00:46:10,800
health issues and I ended up going to

1153
00:46:15,349 --> 00:46:12,780
Wright-Patterson afterwards which I

1154
00:46:17,089 --> 00:46:15,359
didn't know the ramifications of it at

1155
00:46:20,030 --> 00:46:17,099
the time but later you find out that's

1156
00:46:22,490 --> 00:46:20,040
where they do a lot of work on you know

1157
00:46:23,870 --> 00:46:22,500
uh technology and all that or stuff but

1158
00:46:27,170 --> 00:46:23,880
that's where they went and they

1159
00:46:29,450 --> 00:46:27,180
discovered some issues and they were

1160
00:46:32,329 --> 00:46:29,460
going to monitor it okay fast forward to

1161
00:46:34,609 --> 00:46:32,339
after 2010 and 11 my heart started

1162
00:46:36,770 --> 00:46:34,619
getting really bad my civilian doctors

1163
00:46:39,410 --> 00:46:36,780
wanted to look at all the testing they

1164
00:46:41,329 --> 00:46:39,420
did back at Wright-Patterson when the

1165
00:46:43,730 --> 00:46:41,339
whole heart issue became identified now

1166
00:46:45,470 --> 00:46:43,740
people say well I would have had a heart

1167
00:46:48,589 --> 00:46:45,480
problem before no you couldn't get in

1168
00:46:50,690 --> 00:46:48,599
the Air Force with the issues I had and

1169
00:46:52,609 --> 00:46:50,700
I actually had a physical a copy of my

1170
00:46:55,670 --> 00:46:52,619
physical store and I was clean bill of

1171
00:46:59,270 --> 00:46:55,680
health when I came in Okay so

1172
00:47:02,329 --> 00:46:59,280
all my records and stuff were denied so

1173
00:47:04,790 --> 00:47:02,339
to access to what did Senator Kyle he

1174
00:47:07,730 --> 00:47:04,800
put a request in they came back to him

1175
00:47:09,589 --> 00:47:07,740
and said my my document my files my

1176
00:47:12,410 --> 00:47:09,599
Personnel files and my medical records

1177
00:47:14,390 --> 00:47:12,420
where they belong okay I've got all

1178
00:47:16,250 --> 00:47:14,400
those proof of this this isn't hearsay

1179
00:47:19,430 --> 00:47:16,260
I've got all the documents supporting

1180
00:47:21,829 --> 00:47:19,440
this so the a came back and said well

1181
00:47:23,930 --> 00:47:21,839
what's going on here is your your files

1182
00:47:25,970 --> 00:47:23,940
are classified I've dealt with this in

1183
00:47:28,970 --> 00:47:25,980
other incidents including agent orange

1184
00:47:31,790 --> 00:47:28,980
which tells me your files are classified

1185
00:47:34,670 --> 00:47:31,800
so you need to go file disability and

1186
00:47:38,270 --> 00:47:34,680
that'll Force an issue so when file

1187
00:47:40,670 --> 00:47:38,280
disability came back went in for my um

1188
00:47:42,170 --> 00:47:40,680
interview for my disability the doctor

1189
00:47:43,670 --> 00:47:42,180
challenged me on everything I said

1190
00:47:46,250 --> 00:47:43,680
happened she says you weren't in the Air

1191
00:47:48,170 --> 00:47:46,260
Force at the time and I'm like what do

1192
00:47:51,230 --> 00:47:48,180
you mean I was she goes your records

1193
00:47:54,470 --> 00:47:51,240
don't show you being in the military and

1194
00:47:56,349 --> 00:47:54,480
sure enough she completed her stuff and

1195
00:47:59,270 --> 00:47:56,359
they came back and I had a little is

1196
00:48:02,770 --> 00:47:59,280
denying my claim because I was not in

1197
00:48:07,609 --> 00:48:02,780
the Air Force in 1979 and 80 81 until

1198
00:48:08,990 --> 00:48:07,619
1982. they used a different dd4214 and

1199
00:48:10,790 --> 00:48:09,000
they claimed there was nothing in my

1200
00:48:12,650 --> 00:48:10,800
medical records or Personnel files which

1201
00:48:14,990 --> 00:48:12,660
by the way what little they could get

1202
00:48:18,530 --> 00:48:15,000
their hands on show that I there was

1203
00:48:21,589 --> 00:48:18,540
nothing in there about from 79 to 82.

1204
00:48:23,870 --> 00:48:21,599
wow so at that point

1205
00:48:24,950 --> 00:48:23,880
um Kyle was retiring and McCain took it

1206
00:48:29,150 --> 00:48:24,960
over

1207
00:48:32,089 --> 00:48:29,160
and so they started working on this and

1208
00:48:34,309 --> 00:48:32,099
then this is in the book The the staffer

1209
00:48:36,050 --> 00:48:34,319
went to frpc and said wait a minute this

1210
00:48:38,089 --> 00:48:36,060
guy was in we have pay records we have

1211
00:48:40,010 --> 00:48:38,099
proof he's got proof they said no he

1212
00:48:41,569 --> 00:48:40,020
wasn't in what about the records he has

1213
00:48:44,870 --> 00:48:41,579
they're not certified we're not going to

1214
00:48:46,730 --> 00:48:44,880
accept them so I got around it by

1215
00:48:49,250 --> 00:48:46,740
calling retirement and said how can I be

1216
00:48:51,410 --> 00:48:49,260
retired if they're claiming I wasn't in

1217
00:48:53,930 --> 00:48:51,420
well the girl helped me got some stuff

1218
00:48:55,550 --> 00:48:53,940
to McCain then they could prove I was in

1219
00:48:58,130 --> 00:48:55,560
then there was supposed to be a

1220
00:48:59,870 --> 00:48:58,140
settlement and then somebody way up

1221
00:49:01,730 --> 00:48:59,880
killed it it's all in the book it was

1222
00:49:03,589 --> 00:49:01,740
all laid out what what happened with the

1223
00:49:04,970 --> 00:49:03,599
staffer and everything and the whole

1224
00:49:07,670 --> 00:49:04,980
thing in the Department of Justice got

1225
00:49:10,069 --> 00:49:07,680
in the middle of and all this so this is

1226
00:49:11,630 --> 00:49:10,079
real they were denials in the Air Force

1227
00:49:12,710 --> 00:49:11,640
they were denying I was injured while I

1228
00:49:14,329 --> 00:49:12,720
was in the Air Force and they were

1229
00:49:17,809 --> 00:49:14,339
denying my injuries

1230
00:49:19,910 --> 00:49:17,819
but eventually through a hard work of

1231
00:49:21,950 --> 00:49:19,920
Senator Kane and his staff and

1232
00:49:23,870 --> 00:49:21,960
everything else I I did get my

1233
00:49:26,030 --> 00:49:23,880
settlement and people claim well that

1234
00:49:27,950 --> 00:49:26,040
wasn't because of the incident my whole

1235
00:49:29,870 --> 00:49:27,960
claim was based off I was visited in the

1236
00:49:32,569 --> 00:49:29,880
line of duty in the forest during the

1237
00:49:34,790 --> 00:49:32,579
event and they acknowledged it and they

1238
00:49:37,550 --> 00:49:34,800
gave me my disability for that incident

1239
00:49:40,210 --> 00:49:37,560
now Adrian vistenza he too has 100

1240
00:49:43,370 --> 00:49:40,220
disability or 95 percent I think it is

1241
00:49:44,450 --> 00:49:43,380
for our event and the injuries he

1242
00:49:47,030 --> 00:49:44,460
sustained

1243
00:49:49,190 --> 00:49:47,040
in the forest with me on night three so

1244
00:49:50,690 --> 00:49:49,200
two of us have been acknowledged by the

1245
00:49:52,790 --> 00:49:50,700
government that were injured in the line

1246
00:49:54,230 --> 00:49:52,800
of duty during the event did that happen

1247
00:49:55,910 --> 00:49:54,240
at the same time

1248
00:49:58,010 --> 00:49:55,920
no but stanza happened afterwards

1249
00:49:59,870 --> 00:49:58,020
because I had all the the documents that

1250
00:50:01,849 --> 00:49:59,880
got him in through real quick his was

1251
00:50:03,829 --> 00:50:01,859
done in less than six months mine took

1252
00:50:07,790 --> 00:50:03,839
two and a half years which is light time

1253
00:50:10,309 --> 00:50:07,800
in VA disability settlements right wow

1254
00:50:12,710 --> 00:50:10,319
so there's all kinds of cover-ups going

1255
00:50:14,630 --> 00:50:12,720
on with what happened to us now what

1256
00:50:17,390 --> 00:50:14,640
I've been clear to say which ticks

1257
00:50:19,730 --> 00:50:17,400
people off is I don't know what a UAP is

1258
00:50:22,550 --> 00:50:19,740
I'd like to find out

1259
00:50:25,490 --> 00:50:22,560
I don't know for sure what happened to

1260
00:50:28,250 --> 00:50:25,500
us I'd like to find out but I was made

1261
00:50:32,089 --> 00:50:28,260
clear to me all along by the staffer

1262
00:50:33,770 --> 00:50:32,099
Kyle by the staffers and with uh McCain

1263
00:50:35,569 --> 00:50:33,780
was they're going to give me the care I

1264
00:50:37,069 --> 00:50:35,579
deserve but I was never going to get

1265
00:50:38,690 --> 00:50:37,079
close to what happened

1266
00:50:41,210 --> 00:50:38,700
that was going to stay locked down

1267
00:50:44,270 --> 00:50:42,109
um

1268
00:50:47,089 --> 00:50:44,280
so it's kind of like uh what is the most

1269
00:50:49,130 --> 00:50:47,099
important battle to win here and that is

1270
00:50:51,349 --> 00:50:49,140
getting you health care and the other

1271
00:50:52,910 --> 00:50:51,359
stuff becomes secondary and and that's

1272
00:50:54,890 --> 00:50:52,920
your number one goal for yourself is

1273
00:50:56,150 --> 00:50:54,900
well I was dying I had about a month

1274
00:50:58,430 --> 00:50:56,160
left when I had my open heart surgery

1275
00:51:00,770 --> 00:50:58,440
but the point was is that they're

1276
00:51:03,230 --> 00:51:00,780
covering something up now are you going

1277
00:51:05,510 --> 00:51:03,240
to tell me was it Alias or Zeta reticuli

1278
00:51:07,490 --> 00:51:05,520
or whatever no what I will say is a

1279
00:51:09,349 --> 00:51:07,500
Declassified document from the British

1280
00:51:12,589 --> 00:51:09,359
government says we were exposed to UAP

1281
00:51:14,870 --> 00:51:12,599
radiation what a UAP is now the

1282
00:51:16,670 --> 00:51:14,880
classified normal culture that they use

1283
00:51:19,790 --> 00:51:16,680
or what we're dealing with

1284
00:51:22,250 --> 00:51:19,800
so it seems to kind of overlap into each

1285
00:51:23,990 --> 00:51:22,260
other I've had I've talked to people in

1286
00:51:25,250 --> 00:51:24,000
Congress I've dealt with the group

1287
00:51:27,829 --> 00:51:25,260
behind the scenes and I've never even

1288
00:51:29,630 --> 00:51:27,839
gotten into dealing with how I put off

1289
00:51:32,270 --> 00:51:29,640
kit green and all the other stuff that

1290
00:51:35,030 --> 00:51:32,280
went on to including in my book which

1291
00:51:37,490 --> 00:51:35,040
green openly came out and amenity helped

1292
00:51:40,130 --> 00:51:37,500
me through the process gave a document

1293
00:51:43,190 --> 00:51:40,140
to the dod slash VA that was later

1294
00:51:46,490 --> 00:51:43,200
classified telling them what ha what

1295
00:51:48,770 --> 00:51:46,500
what what damaged my heart and openly

1296
00:51:51,829 --> 00:51:48,780
said that what happened to me was tied

1297
00:51:54,530 --> 00:51:51,839
up in sap programs those are what he

1298
00:51:57,470 --> 00:51:54,540
said and that's all in the book where

1299
00:52:00,650 --> 00:51:57,480
you know where he said it

1300
00:52:03,109 --> 00:52:00,660
that's incredible well I'm gonna pop up

1301
00:52:06,650 --> 00:52:03,119
a question we're going to try to get

1302
00:52:09,950 --> 00:52:06,660
some uh questions when we go off kgra in

1303
00:52:12,589 --> 00:52:09,960
here just a couple of minutes so uh what

1304
00:52:16,549 --> 00:52:12,599
have you been cleared to say

1305
00:52:19,910 --> 00:52:16,559
I thought you weren't told what to say

1306
00:52:20,990 --> 00:52:19,920
uh so do you understand the question I

1307
00:52:24,290 --> 00:52:21,000
guess I'm saying because I made the

1308
00:52:25,670 --> 00:52:24,300
comment that if if if if in fact there

1309
00:52:28,370 --> 00:52:25,680
were things that were classified I

1310
00:52:29,990 --> 00:52:28,380
couldn't talk about them okay so I have

1311
00:52:32,569 --> 00:52:30,000
never been told

1312
00:52:34,549 --> 00:52:32,579
anything was classified up until that

1313
00:52:38,390 --> 00:52:34,559
letter that was given from

1314
00:52:40,549 --> 00:52:38,400
from Dr Green to the VA and DOD and

1315
00:52:43,730 --> 00:52:40,559
there was stuff in it that was deemed

1316
00:52:46,970 --> 00:52:43,740
classifiable on technology okay so as

1317
00:52:49,010 --> 00:52:46,980
far as my part of the event itself I

1318
00:52:52,190 --> 00:52:49,020
never was ever told I couldn't talk

1319
00:52:54,710 --> 00:52:52,200
about it other than when the Pentagon

1320
00:52:57,230 --> 00:52:54,720
called me to tell to tell me to talk to

1321
00:53:00,109 --> 00:52:57,240
CNN they told me to stick to the hot

1322
00:53:02,450 --> 00:53:00,119
memo and not go off script so don't

1323
00:53:05,270 --> 00:53:02,460
worry anything else that happened other

1324
00:53:07,549 --> 00:53:05,280
than what the memo said and when I saw

1325
00:53:09,410 --> 00:53:07,559
the memo which I kind of got told I got

1326
00:53:12,170 --> 00:53:09,420
ordered to talk to him because I just

1327
00:53:13,430 --> 00:53:12,180
told the colonel or the general and the

1328
00:53:14,990 --> 00:53:13,440
captain who happened to be a shift

1329
00:53:16,910 --> 00:53:15,000
Commander bent Waters by the name of

1330
00:53:18,710 --> 00:53:16,920
Graham who now is in public affairs at

1331
00:53:20,329 --> 00:53:18,720
the Pentagon I said I don't really want

1332
00:53:22,430 --> 00:53:20,339
to talk to this guy because I don't even

1333
00:53:24,770 --> 00:53:22,440
know what's going on because I had no

1334
00:53:26,750 --> 00:53:24,780
clue to how it got released news of the

1335
00:53:28,309 --> 00:53:26,760
world or anything so when I did meet

1336
00:53:30,230 --> 00:53:28,319
with Chuck to call who turned out to be

1337
00:53:32,270 --> 00:53:30,240
a really good guy I looked at the memo

1338
00:53:34,370 --> 00:53:32,280
and I just said the memo is full of crap

1339
00:53:36,890 --> 00:53:34,380
the dates are on the whole story has

1340
00:53:39,410 --> 00:53:36,900
been jumbled up and everything else but

1341
00:53:42,109 --> 00:53:39,420
ultimately they did not want me to go

1342
00:53:44,809 --> 00:53:42,119
off the map other than the memo so in a

1343
00:53:47,270 --> 00:53:44,819
way I was told not to talk to CNN about

1344
00:53:49,790 --> 00:53:47,280
anything more than the memo but I never

1345
00:53:52,370 --> 00:53:49,800
was told anything in was classified

1346
00:53:54,470 --> 00:53:52,380
other than this letter that I got later

1347
00:53:57,290 --> 00:53:54,480
on okay we're gonna have to jump off

1348
00:53:59,809 --> 00:53:57,300
kgra radio thank you everyone over there

1349
00:54:02,750 --> 00:53:59,819
we'll be back next week with James Fox

1350
00:54:06,349 --> 00:54:02,760
uh the guest tonight is John Burroughs

1351
00:54:08,569 --> 00:54:06,359
we're on uh Dean and I are on with him

1352
00:54:10,670 --> 00:54:08,579
it's been a pleasure so far we'll keep

1353
00:54:13,010 --> 00:54:10,680
going there's uh people may put some

1354
00:54:15,049 --> 00:54:13,020
questions up in chat there was one I saw

1355
00:54:18,049 --> 00:54:15,059
earlier that I'm going to post so we'll

1356
00:54:22,790 --> 00:54:18,059
put those up too

1357
00:54:25,910 --> 00:54:22,800
um so anyway uh so all this time has

1358
00:54:28,010 --> 00:54:25,920
gone by other times that you like you

1359
00:54:31,010 --> 00:54:28,020
don't want to talk about this

1360
00:54:33,049 --> 00:54:31,020
no no not really I just don't

1361
00:54:35,030 --> 00:54:33,059
listen here's my take

1362
00:54:37,370 --> 00:54:35,040
I've turned on a lot of your interviews

1363
00:54:39,049 --> 00:54:37,380
in the last year or two because I'll

1364
00:54:41,630 --> 00:54:39,059
tell them I don't want to just talk

1365
00:54:44,510 --> 00:54:41,640
about generics anymore you want to read

1366
00:54:46,370 --> 00:54:44,520
my book you want to follow the story and

1367
00:54:48,650 --> 00:54:46,380
understand the story and understand what

1368
00:54:50,690 --> 00:54:48,660
I relied in my book I'll do an interview

1369
00:54:53,329 --> 00:54:50,700
with you because I want to talk about

1370
00:54:55,970 --> 00:54:53,339
things that matter not just generic

1371
00:54:56,690 --> 00:54:55,980
stuff you know and I mean tonight I'm

1372
00:54:59,870 --> 00:54:56,700
not

1373
00:55:02,870 --> 00:54:59,880
I talked about it with Penicillin penis

1374
00:55:05,930 --> 00:55:02,880
is irrelevant to me okay his story is

1375
00:55:07,370 --> 00:55:05,940
irrelevant what's relevant to me is I

1376
00:55:09,530 --> 00:55:07,380
definitely was injured the Government

1377
00:55:11,270 --> 00:55:09,540
tried to cover it up they're still

1378
00:55:13,910 --> 00:55:11,280
covering stuff up to this day about the

1379
00:55:17,270 --> 00:55:13,920
incident itself and they're covering up

1380
00:55:19,609 --> 00:55:17,280
what's really going on period and I

1381
00:55:21,049 --> 00:55:19,619
would like as a person and experienced

1382
00:55:23,750 --> 00:55:21,059
something to have a better working

1383
00:55:25,250 --> 00:55:23,760
knowledge now do I think I'm going to

1384
00:55:27,109 --> 00:55:25,260
get that working knowledge probably not

1385
00:55:29,390 --> 00:55:27,119
this is going to keep it all locked down

1386
00:55:31,010 --> 00:55:29,400
in classifications but I can't help but

1387
00:55:32,510 --> 00:55:31,020
tell you I'd like to know

1388
00:55:35,630 --> 00:55:32,520
you know

1389
00:55:39,410 --> 00:55:35,640
what is in your in your best estimation

1390
00:55:42,650 --> 00:55:39,420
because uh you know so far no one in

1391
00:55:44,829 --> 00:55:42,660
this event uh and it's and it it seems

1392
00:55:46,370 --> 00:55:44,839
to be intentional whether it's uh

1393
00:55:48,650 --> 00:55:46,380
extraterrestrial coming from

1394
00:55:51,170 --> 00:55:48,660
extraterrestrials are are the the

1395
00:55:54,710 --> 00:55:51,180
military what is what is your estimation

1396
00:55:57,589 --> 00:55:54,720
of what is going on what was the purpose

1397
00:56:00,049 --> 00:55:57,599
of that whole event in your in your

1398
00:56:02,030 --> 00:56:00,059
opinion well if you go off a Pike's book

1399
00:56:04,309 --> 00:56:02,040
Andrew Pike

1400
00:56:06,349 --> 00:56:04,319
um they were studying this phenomenon if

1401
00:56:08,809 --> 00:56:06,359
you go off condo and it says it should

1402
00:56:10,910 --> 00:56:08,819
be weaponized that's why the title of my

1403
00:56:15,349 --> 00:56:10,920
book is weaponization of an unidentified

1404
00:56:17,089 --> 00:56:15,359
UAP okay now the thing is our government

1405
00:56:19,370 --> 00:56:17,099
and the governments of the world not

1406
00:56:21,650 --> 00:56:19,380
just the American government love

1407
00:56:24,349 --> 00:56:21,660
technology especially if it can be used

1408
00:56:27,109 --> 00:56:24,359
for power okay just plain and simple

1409
00:56:28,609 --> 00:56:27,119
it's all about who it's not it doesn't

1410
00:56:30,410 --> 00:56:28,619
have to be who you know it's what you

1411
00:56:33,530 --> 00:56:30,420
know and what you have at your

1412
00:56:35,089 --> 00:56:33,540
fingertips that you can use okay so they

1413
00:56:37,609 --> 00:56:35,099
clearly have been studying this

1414
00:56:40,309 --> 00:56:37,619
technology or this phenomenon whatever

1415
00:56:41,870 --> 00:56:40,319
it is okay if you listen to what Lou

1416
00:56:43,730 --> 00:56:41,880
talked about some of the other people

1417
00:56:46,130 --> 00:56:43,740
that supposedly were close to different

1418
00:56:48,770 --> 00:56:46,140
programs it's clearly been involved

1419
00:56:51,470 --> 00:56:48,780
Harry Reid said immediately after he got

1420
00:56:54,530 --> 00:56:51,480
the initial brief he wanted to make the

1421
00:56:55,790 --> 00:56:54,540
whole thing an sap program right that's

1422
00:56:58,790 --> 00:56:55,800
what he wanted to do with this whole

1423
00:57:02,450 --> 00:56:58,800
thing so so the the bottom line is

1424
00:57:04,849 --> 00:57:02,460
they're looking at something that

1425
00:57:06,410 --> 00:57:04,859
that they're trying to weaponize what's

1426
00:57:08,230 --> 00:57:06,420
interesting was after I got my

1427
00:57:10,910 --> 00:57:08,240
settlement when McCain was still alive

1428
00:57:12,470 --> 00:57:10,920
the same people involved helping with my

1429
00:57:14,990 --> 00:57:12,480
settlement was straight to McCain's

1430
00:57:17,270 --> 00:57:15,000
committee who he was a chair of and

1431
00:57:20,650 --> 00:57:17,280
we're trying to get funding for exotic

1432
00:57:26,030 --> 00:57:23,270
interesting those were those Dia

1433
00:57:28,490 --> 00:57:26,040
documents remember they got they were

1434
00:57:30,710 --> 00:57:28,500
McCain's committee McCain was the one

1435
00:57:32,630 --> 00:57:30,720
that got read into my whole case because

1436
00:57:34,370 --> 00:57:32,640
of the way it was handled and at one

1437
00:57:36,770 --> 00:57:34,380
point threatened open appearance when

1438
00:57:38,870 --> 00:57:36,780
they were still trying to deny my when

1439
00:57:40,790 --> 00:57:38,880
they went through there would offer the

1440
00:57:41,870 --> 00:57:40,800
first time he said either this gets

1441
00:57:45,049 --> 00:57:41,880
taken care of or I'm going to do

1442
00:57:47,630 --> 00:57:45,059
earrings so after I got my settlement he

1443
00:57:50,690 --> 00:57:47,640
did they then went to him for funding

1444
00:57:53,210 --> 00:57:50,700
for exotic technology you tell me his

1445
00:57:56,990 --> 00:57:53,220
name comes up a few times in the in the

1446
00:58:00,950 --> 00:57:57,000
UAP UFO topic over the years he's he's

1447
00:58:03,470 --> 00:58:00,960
uh he's chimed in more than once more

1448
00:58:05,390 --> 00:58:03,480
than your particular case

1449
00:58:07,730 --> 00:58:05,400
I can't tell you what but I have heard

1450
00:58:10,010 --> 00:58:07,740
heard it he was asking on one of the

1451
00:58:12,530 --> 00:58:10,020
local radio stations in Phoenix about it

1452
00:58:14,750 --> 00:58:12,540
and he said that it deserves a closer

1453
00:58:17,150 --> 00:58:14,760
look I think is what will he was asked

1454
00:58:18,410 --> 00:58:17,160
about one time I know he said that but

1455
00:58:22,490 --> 00:58:18,420
again

1456
00:58:24,530 --> 00:58:22,500
I try to go back and be clear about this

1457
00:58:27,890 --> 00:58:24,540
it appears we had in contact with the

1458
00:58:30,349 --> 00:58:27,900
UAP out there now was it all that you

1459
00:58:32,870 --> 00:58:30,359
repeat whatever driven or was it

1460
00:58:34,849 --> 00:58:32,880
something we were doing to the UAP which

1461
00:58:37,250 --> 00:58:34,859
is what Andrew pikes

1462
00:58:39,950 --> 00:58:37,260
stated was going on so was there a

1463
00:58:43,309 --> 00:58:39,960
combination of both I do know that I was

1464
00:58:46,250 --> 00:58:43,319
brought into a hundred people group to

1465
00:58:48,410 --> 00:58:46,260
have my DNA tested with these other 99

1466
00:58:51,170 --> 00:58:48,420
people that was being done through

1467
00:58:54,349 --> 00:58:51,180
Government funding which that results

1468
00:58:55,789 --> 00:58:54,359
have never been released and there was

1469
00:58:59,030 --> 00:58:55,799
also some of those special operations

1470
00:59:01,010 --> 00:58:59,040
people that had an encounter at Bradshaw

1471
00:59:04,430 --> 00:59:01,020
not Bradshaw I'm sorry uh skid Walker

1472
00:59:06,170 --> 00:59:04,440
Ranch so I was logged into that I do

1473
00:59:07,549 --> 00:59:06,180
know they wanted to do an MRI which

1474
00:59:09,770 --> 00:59:07,559
they've done on people that have had

1475
00:59:12,470 --> 00:59:09,780
encounters with uip's but because of my

1476
00:59:14,750 --> 00:59:12,480
pacemaker they couldn't justify it oh

1477
00:59:16,670 --> 00:59:14,760
yeah and then they also wanted to look

1478
00:59:20,030 --> 00:59:16,680
at that the last thing they were looking

1479
00:59:22,849 --> 00:59:20,040
at was hypnosis itself and what the Mind

1480
00:59:25,069 --> 00:59:22,859
remembers clearly and does it what's you

1481
00:59:26,750 --> 00:59:25,079
know interfered with was Gary Nolan

1482
00:59:28,789 --> 00:59:26,760
involved in any of that

1483
00:59:31,910 --> 00:59:28,799
yeah Gary Nola and Nicole and Keller

1484
00:59:33,890 --> 00:59:31,920
were brought down to Flagstaff to try to

1485
00:59:35,210 --> 00:59:33,900
talk me into giving up my DNA for the

1486
00:59:38,450 --> 00:59:35,220
study originally

1487
00:59:38,990 --> 00:59:38,460
ah how about that here's a question that

1488
00:59:40,370 --> 00:59:39,000
um

1489
00:59:42,950 --> 00:59:40,380
I think it's actually a pretty good one

1490
00:59:44,569 --> 00:59:42,960
have you ever had any other other UFO

1491
00:59:47,630 --> 00:59:44,579
sightings or strange things happened

1492
00:59:49,490 --> 00:59:47,640
since that uh I've always said no up

1493
00:59:51,530 --> 00:59:49,500
until when I moved to Sedona for two

1494
00:59:52,569 --> 00:59:51,540
years had some weird stuff happen up

1495
00:59:55,309 --> 00:59:52,579
there

1496
00:59:57,650 --> 00:59:55,319
you went to Sedona Arizona that's your

1497
01:00:00,170 --> 00:59:57,660
fault well I'm just saying when we're

1498
01:00:01,549 --> 01:00:00,180
not over to Brad saw Ranch area on three

1499
01:00:02,630 --> 01:00:01,559
different occasions some weird stuff

1500
01:00:04,910 --> 01:00:02,640
took place

1501
01:00:07,190 --> 01:00:04,920
interesting can you tell us

1502
01:00:09,049 --> 01:00:07,200
strange lights in the sky and stuff like

1503
01:00:10,910 --> 01:00:09,059
that that could be explained

1504
01:00:12,410 --> 01:00:10,920
wow when I when I showed up out there

1505
01:00:13,730 --> 01:00:12,420
with a couple other people some weird

1506
01:00:16,849 --> 01:00:13,740
stuff out

1507
01:00:18,829 --> 01:00:16,859
but I can't verify unfortunately the one

1508
01:00:21,650 --> 01:00:18,839
person will never come forward the other

1509
01:00:23,329 --> 01:00:21,660
person passed away but there was some

1510
01:00:25,130 --> 01:00:23,339
strange stuff could happen on three

1511
01:00:27,170 --> 01:00:25,140
different occasions out there so

1512
01:00:29,569 --> 01:00:27,180
interesting

1513
01:00:32,329 --> 01:00:29,579
um I would really be curious to see what

1514
01:00:34,849 --> 01:00:32,339
are the the similarities with the rate

1515
01:00:37,309 --> 01:00:34,859
type of radiation that you received and

1516
01:00:38,690 --> 01:00:37,319
other experiences uh have received

1517
01:00:41,109 --> 01:00:38,700
people that have witnessed um craft

1518
01:00:43,730 --> 01:00:41,119
before well if you go back to

1519
01:00:46,130 --> 01:00:43,740
when these guys got involved terahertz

1520
01:00:48,829 --> 01:00:46,140
wasn't a big deal but all of a sudden

1521
01:00:50,450 --> 01:00:48,839
they want to tear Hertz out so it has

1522
01:00:54,170 --> 01:00:50,460
something to do with terahertz it

1523
01:00:56,569 --> 01:00:54,180
appears hmm that's that's as much as I

1524
01:00:58,910 --> 01:00:56,579
can say because they went out of their

1525
01:01:01,130 --> 01:00:58,920
way to introduce the public to terahertz

1526
01:01:02,930 --> 01:01:01,140
radiation

1527
01:01:04,970 --> 01:01:02,940
here's an interesting question because

1528
01:01:07,789 --> 01:01:04,980
I've heard things are happening are you

1529
01:01:09,829 --> 01:01:07,799
aware of things that are still going on

1530
01:01:12,349 --> 01:01:09,839
um people are still going out in the

1531
01:01:14,870 --> 01:01:12,359
forest and seeing stories lights

1532
01:01:16,670 --> 01:01:14,880
yeah I've heard I've heard that and I've

1533
01:01:18,829 --> 01:01:16,680
heard that there's

1534
01:01:20,690 --> 01:01:18,839
um people have talked about Cryptids and

1535
01:01:23,030 --> 01:01:20,700
weird other weird happenings not just

1536
01:01:25,069 --> 01:01:23,040
UFOs in that area I don't know if you've

1537
01:01:27,890 --> 01:01:25,079
ever heard any bit of that

1538
01:01:31,010 --> 01:01:27,900
um since since I I was over there in 18

1539
01:01:34,250 --> 01:01:31,020
I really haven't spent a lot of time you

1540
01:01:36,829 --> 01:01:34,260
know what's been going on since 18. so

1541
01:01:38,809 --> 01:01:36,839
it may be I I don't know I just I went

1542
01:01:41,510 --> 01:01:38,819
back up there one more time in 18 and

1543
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:41,520
then I kind of I wouldn't say I've lost

1544
01:01:46,190 --> 01:01:44,170
interest in all this but I'm bored

1545
01:01:48,829 --> 01:01:46,200
[Laughter]

1546
01:01:51,650 --> 01:01:48,839
yeah now do you communicate with the

1547
01:01:54,530 --> 01:01:51,660
other people on a regular basis that

1548
01:01:56,329 --> 01:01:54,540
were involved is there is or do you kind

1549
01:01:57,650 --> 01:01:56,339
of just all keep to yourself as far as

1550
01:01:59,930 --> 01:01:57,660
you know

1551
01:02:03,589 --> 01:01:59,940
um occasionally I've talked to Adrian

1552
01:02:06,710 --> 01:02:03,599
um other than that no kabansack I guess

1553
01:02:08,990 --> 01:02:06,720
after he did the James Fox stuff the IRS

1554
01:02:10,250 --> 01:02:09,000
came after him and he just didn't want

1555
01:02:14,390 --> 01:02:10,260
to talk anymore

1556
01:02:16,010 --> 01:02:14,400
um so I mean because we try at least I

1557
01:02:18,289 --> 01:02:16,020
shouldn't say we I tried to get him in

1558
01:02:20,150 --> 01:02:18,299
the book and he wouldn't do it so yeah

1559
01:02:21,890 --> 01:02:20,160
people brought that up too why wasn't he

1560
01:02:23,270 --> 01:02:21,900
in the book they didn't want to be in

1561
01:02:26,270 --> 01:02:23,280
the book that's the one thing more scary

1562
01:02:28,190 --> 01:02:26,280
than the Men in Black is the IRS uh yeah

1563
01:02:30,770 --> 01:02:28,200
sure especially if you've done something

1564
01:02:32,870 --> 01:02:30,780
wrong and I'm not implying you did but

1565
01:02:35,329 --> 01:02:32,880
if you're squeaky clean whatever I guess

1566
01:02:36,829 --> 01:02:35,339
they can create something but yeah have

1567
01:02:39,109 --> 01:02:36,839
you ever spoken with because I know that

1568
01:02:42,530 --> 01:02:39,119
whenever I've I've talked to people that

1569
01:02:45,289 --> 01:02:42,540
have come out recently uh in in um in

1570
01:02:46,970 --> 01:02:45,299
the Press about this that they start

1571
01:02:48,470 --> 01:02:46,980
getting people that come to them and

1572
01:02:50,450 --> 01:02:48,480
it's the full spectrum of people that

1573
01:02:53,630 --> 01:02:50,460
are saying I know the truth of what's

1574
01:02:55,609 --> 01:02:53,640
going on to hey I was at another base

1575
01:02:57,289 --> 01:02:55,619
and this happened as well so I'm curious

1576
01:02:59,030 --> 01:02:57,299
was there anyone else that said hey I

1577
01:03:00,770 --> 01:02:59,040
was stationed at this other base same

1578
01:03:02,990 --> 01:03:00,780
type of thing happened to me did anyone

1579
01:03:06,309 --> 01:03:03,000
come to you and sure well from the time

1580
01:03:09,470 --> 01:03:06,319
bentwater's got out in 92 I was in until

1581
01:03:12,589 --> 01:03:09,480
2004 actually six but technically I

1582
01:03:14,210 --> 01:03:12,599
stopped doing any Duty working or

1583
01:03:16,190 --> 01:03:14,220
um there's different people that came up

1584
01:03:17,690 --> 01:03:16,200
with different things yeah they'd come

1585
01:03:19,670 --> 01:03:17,700
to approach me on different things they

1586
01:03:21,589 --> 01:03:19,680
saw what had happened and stuff like

1587
01:03:23,450 --> 01:03:21,599
that yeah how close were they to you're

1588
01:03:26,089 --> 01:03:23,460
on experience

1589
01:03:28,130 --> 01:03:26,099
um not really I mean if you take the

1590
01:03:30,170 --> 01:03:28,140
whole enchilada I mean they just saw

1591
01:03:33,289 --> 01:03:30,180
strange things you know

1592
01:03:35,390 --> 01:03:33,299
stuff but not you know I guess you could

1593
01:03:37,670 --> 01:03:35,400
say we saw strange things but you know

1594
01:03:39,950 --> 01:03:37,680
not really the aftermath I mean honestly

1595
01:03:42,829 --> 01:03:39,960
rendelson is only a big deal because

1596
01:03:44,630 --> 01:03:42,839
according to Dr Green it slipped out it

1597
01:03:46,069 --> 01:03:44,640
never should have gotten out there's a

1598
01:03:48,530 --> 01:03:46,079
lot of stuff that's happened in the

1599
01:03:50,809 --> 01:03:48,540
military over the years that's never saw

1600
01:03:53,390 --> 01:03:50,819
the light of day but Reynolds from got

1601
01:03:55,849 --> 01:03:53,400
leaked out when that memo got released

1602
01:03:58,309 --> 01:03:55,859
you know released by Third Air Force so

1603
01:04:01,849 --> 01:03:58,319
yeah I wonder for every one rental shim

1604
01:04:03,829 --> 01:04:01,859
how many other cases like this are still

1605
01:04:05,630 --> 01:04:03,839
buried I would say there's quite a few

1606
01:04:08,450 --> 01:04:05,640
that you know if you go back from the

1607
01:04:11,809 --> 01:04:08,460
40s going forward there's but you know I

1608
01:04:14,750 --> 01:04:11,819
don't know if it involves as much drama

1609
01:04:16,670 --> 01:04:14,760
as randolson did as far as the you know

1610
01:04:18,829 --> 01:04:16,680
over more than one night the closeness

1611
01:04:21,170 --> 01:04:18,839
and everything else I mean there's no

1612
01:04:22,670 --> 01:04:21,180
doubt you've got what their airplanes

1613
01:04:24,170 --> 01:04:22,680
picked up you know the fighter jets

1614
01:04:26,030 --> 01:04:24,180
picked up is

1615
01:04:28,250 --> 01:04:26,040
you know that's there and I'm sure

1616
01:04:29,870 --> 01:04:28,260
there's plenty of

1617
01:04:34,370 --> 01:04:29,880
camera

1618
01:04:36,370 --> 01:04:34,380
why else would they say they're not

1619
01:04:39,289 --> 01:04:36,380
going to release any more of it you know

1620
01:04:40,609 --> 01:04:39,299
yeah if they didn't have anything else

1621
01:04:42,710 --> 01:04:40,619
they wouldn't really have anything to

1622
01:04:46,730 --> 01:04:42,720
hide now with it there was supposed to

1623
01:04:49,549 --> 01:04:46,740
be a 23 minute movie you know film to

1624
01:04:51,770 --> 01:04:49,559
come out Lou Alexander was saying and it

1625
01:04:54,109 --> 01:04:51,780
like it was going to come out soon and

1626
01:04:56,270 --> 01:04:54,119
it's never happened yet I'm not sure

1627
01:04:57,950 --> 01:04:56,280
what what the deal is with that I don't

1628
01:05:00,950 --> 01:04:57,960
know that you that's why I'm bored I

1629
01:05:02,870 --> 01:05:00,960
mean listen I I I here's how I kind of

1630
01:05:07,250 --> 01:05:02,880
want to sum up how to look at things

1631
01:05:09,170 --> 01:05:07,260
it's it's it's just a Cutthroat world I

1632
01:05:12,049 --> 01:05:09,180
mean Lou just took a swipe at ufology

1633
01:05:14,089 --> 01:05:12,059
what a month ago just basically just

1634
01:05:16,370 --> 01:05:14,099
tore them apart some of it was valid

1635
01:05:18,170 --> 01:05:16,380
some of it wasn't oh like it needs to be

1636
01:05:20,690 --> 01:05:18,180
rebuilt torn down and Rebuilders yeah

1637
01:05:22,970 --> 01:05:20,700
yeah right

1638
01:05:27,049 --> 01:05:22,980
that you know I'm sorry I I know the guy

1639
01:05:31,309 --> 01:05:29,329
that was that he has no right to tell

1640
01:05:33,770 --> 01:05:31,319
people what they can and can't say it's

1641
01:05:35,210 --> 01:05:33,780
it's up to an individual to believe it

1642
01:05:38,089 --> 01:05:35,220
or not believe it you know what I mean

1643
01:05:39,650 --> 01:05:38,099
and and so that it's a Cutthroat world

1644
01:05:42,170 --> 01:05:39,660
there's a lot of crap that comes out

1645
01:05:44,150 --> 01:05:42,180
it's crap I mean and it shouldn't be

1646
01:05:46,069 --> 01:05:44,160
that hard for people to disseminate from

1647
01:05:48,890 --> 01:05:46,079
crap and real stuff you know what I mean

1648
01:05:51,589 --> 01:05:48,900
but the the bottom line is the thing

1649
01:05:53,809 --> 01:05:51,599
that annoys me the most is discloses

1650
01:05:59,450 --> 01:05:53,819
right around the corner

1651
01:06:04,069 --> 01:05:59,460
December of 2017. it's now coming up on

1652
01:06:05,690 --> 01:06:04,079
December 22. oh Lester key 2023 how much

1653
01:06:07,309 --> 01:06:05,700
you want to bet me it then happened in

1654
01:06:08,809 --> 01:06:07,319
2023.

1655
01:06:10,309 --> 01:06:08,819
well it's a long block that you have to

1656
01:06:12,470 --> 01:06:10,319
turn the corner around because it's you

1657
01:06:14,930 --> 01:06:12,480
know it's right around there well it's a

1658
01:06:16,309 --> 01:06:14,940
long walk all right and let me tell you

1659
01:06:17,750 --> 01:06:16,319
these people that are hiding this

1660
01:06:20,690 --> 01:06:17,760
they've been doing this for a long time

1661
01:06:23,030 --> 01:06:20,700
and nothing personal Leslie but you

1662
01:06:25,190 --> 01:06:23,040
don't you don't have the wherewithal to

1663
01:06:26,990 --> 01:06:25,200
deal with these type of people and I'll

1664
01:06:28,309 --> 01:06:27,000
tell you truthfully I wouldn't want to

1665
01:06:30,289 --> 01:06:28,319
deal with these people

1666
01:06:32,890 --> 01:06:30,299
because they're hiding it for whatever

1667
01:06:35,510 --> 01:06:32,900
reason obviously it's National Security

1668
01:06:37,370 --> 01:06:35,520
and the fact that they're working on it

1669
01:06:39,289 --> 01:06:37,380
or have developed weapons and everything

1670
01:06:41,029 --> 01:06:39,299
else I have a flight from the British

1671
01:06:43,730 --> 01:06:41,039
government that said yeah we've

1672
01:06:45,829 --> 01:06:43,740
developed technology off the UAP but

1673
01:06:47,870 --> 01:06:45,839
they're not going to release this and

1674
01:06:50,150 --> 01:06:47,880
those are the kind of things that you

1675
01:06:51,950 --> 01:06:50,160
start going down that road you can get

1676
01:06:54,589 --> 01:06:51,960
yourself into some serious

1677
01:06:56,690 --> 01:06:54,599
issue problems with them I mean look

1678
01:06:58,010 --> 01:06:56,700
they openly don't cooperate with

1679
01:07:00,529 --> 01:06:58,020
progress in the president of the United

1680
01:07:02,930 --> 01:07:00,539
States when they deem it necessary to

1681
01:07:04,670 --> 01:07:02,940
keep it classified the president can

1682
01:07:07,370 --> 01:07:04,680
order it to be Declassified and they can

1683
01:07:08,210 --> 01:07:07,380
tell them no and get away with it yeah

1684
01:07:14,690 --> 01:07:08,220
to

1685
01:07:16,609 --> 01:07:14,700
there have always been people that you

1686
01:07:18,770 --> 01:07:16,619
have contacts and stuff and they'll come

1687
01:07:20,990 --> 01:07:18,780
out and they'll say things like it's

1688
01:07:23,029 --> 01:07:21,000
coming it's coming and then it doesn't

1689
01:07:24,829 --> 01:07:23,039
happen it happened with the producer of

1690
01:07:26,510 --> 01:07:24,839
that UFO documentary that came out in

1691
01:07:29,750 --> 01:07:26,520
the 70s

1692
01:07:31,370 --> 01:07:29,760
um and UFO cover-up live yeah no no oh

1693
01:07:33,410 --> 01:07:31,380
God not that one not that one that was

1694
01:07:35,349 --> 01:07:33,420
the 80s but the one in the 70s which was

1695
01:07:38,950 --> 01:07:35,359
a film that that um

1696
01:07:43,370 --> 01:07:41,809
yeah then last minute supposedly it gets

1697
01:07:44,630 --> 01:07:43,380
yanked and everything and I feel like

1698
01:07:46,549 --> 01:07:44,640
that's kind of part of how the

1699
01:07:48,650 --> 01:07:46,559
government works for they'll give you

1700
01:07:51,529 --> 01:07:48,660
this card and then they'll yank it away

1701
01:07:53,930 --> 01:07:51,539
and you're left standing there going uh

1702
01:07:54,950 --> 01:07:53,940
uh uh and that's not good it doesn't

1703
01:07:57,170 --> 01:07:54,960
look good for you and some of that's

1704
01:07:59,150 --> 01:07:57,180
intentional I think to kind of you know

1705
01:08:00,589 --> 01:07:59,160
help discredit it it gets really Mucky

1706
01:08:05,410 --> 01:08:00,599
and I think that that whole thing I mean

1707
01:08:08,029 --> 01:08:05,420
it's the Richie uh Richard Dodie Factor

1708
01:08:10,490 --> 01:08:08,039
well the interesting Factor about all

1709
01:08:12,650 --> 01:08:10,500
this is this okay I'm going to sum it up

1710
01:08:14,270 --> 01:08:12,660
in my opinion

1711
01:08:17,390 --> 01:08:14,280
how much do we know about National

1712
01:08:19,070 --> 01:08:17,400
Security can you guys answer me how much

1713
01:08:20,030 --> 01:08:19,080
do we really know what's going on right

1714
01:08:22,970 --> 01:08:20,040
now

1715
01:08:25,789 --> 01:08:22,980
very long what weapons we have what

1716
01:08:27,950 --> 01:08:25,799
capabilities we have we know the generic

1717
01:08:30,229 --> 01:08:27,960
stuff we know we have an F-18 we have a

1718
01:08:32,090 --> 01:08:30,239
stealth fighter we have this stuff they

1719
01:08:34,490 --> 01:08:32,100
they leak certain things out about the

1720
01:08:37,010 --> 01:08:34,500
capabilities a lot of times they do that

1721
01:08:39,410 --> 01:08:37,020
to get the attention of a foreign

1722
01:08:41,390 --> 01:08:39,420
government or to get Congress to provide

1723
01:08:44,450 --> 01:08:41,400
them more money right

1724
01:08:46,189 --> 01:08:44,460
so there's no difference in whatever

1725
01:08:48,349 --> 01:08:46,199
we're dealing with

1726
01:08:50,570 --> 01:08:48,359
is the fact that they want to know more

1727
01:08:53,150 --> 01:08:50,580
about it and they want to weaponize it

1728
01:08:54,829 --> 01:08:53,160
so they have to go

1729
01:08:57,950 --> 01:08:54,839
to Congress

1730
01:09:00,289 --> 01:08:57,960
to get the money supposedly if you you

1731
01:09:02,870 --> 01:09:00,299
know Congress is supposed to give them

1732
01:09:05,329 --> 01:09:02,880
the money for the developmental weapons

1733
01:09:07,729 --> 01:09:05,339
system so there are people that are high

1734
01:09:09,769 --> 01:09:07,739
up inside and have these clearances that

1735
01:09:11,930 --> 01:09:09,779
are going to get read in on certain

1736
01:09:14,809 --> 01:09:11,940
things and they're going to make a

1737
01:09:16,789 --> 01:09:14,819
decision based off of what not only the

1738
01:09:19,370 --> 01:09:16,799
intelligence agencies what the military

1739
01:09:21,769 --> 01:09:19,380
wants and what Congress is willing to

1740
01:09:23,570 --> 01:09:21,779
give but none of the stuff that's

1741
01:09:26,689 --> 01:09:23,580
important

1742
01:09:28,070 --> 01:09:26,699
in any aspect forget uaps is ever going

1743
01:09:29,809 --> 01:09:28,080
to come public

1744
01:09:32,630 --> 01:09:29,819
they're not going to go in the inner

1745
01:09:34,370 --> 01:09:32,640
workings of how radar works

1746
01:09:36,169 --> 01:09:34,380
right they're not going to go into their

1747
01:09:38,090 --> 01:09:36,179
workings how these missiles work or

1748
01:09:40,490 --> 01:09:38,100
anything else so why are they going to

1749
01:09:43,669 --> 01:09:40,500
tell us anything about

1750
01:09:46,070 --> 01:09:43,679
what's going on with the UAP

1751
01:09:48,050 --> 01:09:46,080
John do you think the I'm talking about

1752
01:09:50,269 --> 01:09:48,060
your particular case you were involved

1753
01:09:53,749 --> 01:09:50,279
in the renderson force do you think the

1754
01:09:55,370 --> 01:09:53,759
government knows a lot more about what

1755
01:09:57,890 --> 01:09:55,380
was happening or do you think it's a

1756
01:09:59,570 --> 01:09:57,900
mystery to them too

1757
01:10:01,970 --> 01:09:59,580
um I would say that

1758
01:10:06,709 --> 01:10:01,980
you have those papers that they

1759
01:10:08,810 --> 01:10:06,719
Declassified the DIA gave to McCain

1760
01:10:10,010 --> 01:10:08,820
um they're definitely working on exotic

1761
01:10:12,350 --> 01:10:10,020
technology

1762
01:10:15,410 --> 01:10:12,360
the fact that that question was asked

1763
01:10:17,450 --> 01:10:15,420
how we developed technology off of UAP

1764
01:10:19,010 --> 01:10:17,460
and they wouldn't answer it the easy

1765
01:10:21,169 --> 01:10:19,020
answer would have been no

1766
01:10:23,450 --> 01:10:21,179
no we gotta talk behind the closed doors

1767
01:10:25,910 --> 01:10:23,460
so yeah they're they're scientists and

1768
01:10:27,770 --> 01:10:25,920
people working on all this yeah and do

1769
01:10:30,770 --> 01:10:27,780
they know more about it than us sure

1770
01:10:32,330 --> 01:10:30,780
they do well the big question is how

1771
01:10:34,250 --> 01:10:32,340
much do they want to share I don't know

1772
01:10:38,149 --> 01:10:34,260
I mean what would force their hand

1773
01:10:39,830 --> 01:10:38,159
people say well a major encounter will

1774
01:10:42,169 --> 01:10:39,840
there's been stuff that's happened you

1775
01:10:44,270 --> 01:10:42,179
have the gun footage from the two

1776
01:10:46,250 --> 01:10:44,280
different aircraft carriers you have the

1777
01:10:48,709 --> 01:10:46,260
Phoenix Lights you have different

1778
01:10:50,290 --> 01:10:48,719
incidents different testimony has that

1779
01:10:52,910 --> 01:10:50,300
changed anything

1780
01:10:55,070 --> 01:10:52,920
has it related even you talked about

1781
01:10:57,950 --> 01:10:55,080
James Fox's movie what has that changed

1782
01:10:59,930 --> 01:10:57,960
oh the public watches it just like they

1783
01:11:02,810 --> 01:10:59,940
watch any other movie uh that's

1784
01:11:05,990 --> 01:11:02,820
interesting but there's no there's no

1785
01:11:08,450 --> 01:11:06,000
real verification or or

1786
01:11:10,669 --> 01:11:08,460
from the government itself and as long

1787
01:11:12,890 --> 01:11:10,679
as the people of the world believe the

1788
01:11:14,630 --> 01:11:12,900
government has the final say

1789
01:11:16,610 --> 01:11:14,640
directly or indirectly because they

1790
01:11:18,290 --> 01:11:16,620
allow it there's never going to be

1791
01:11:20,510 --> 01:11:18,300
anything about it that's going to

1792
01:11:22,550 --> 01:11:20,520
actually be settled

1793
01:11:25,250 --> 01:11:22,560
yes I love playing the disclosure game

1794
01:11:27,110 --> 01:11:25,260
because it is a game right

1795
01:11:29,149 --> 01:11:27,120
um You go Okay well what does disclosure

1796
01:11:31,430 --> 01:11:29,159
even look like

1797
01:11:32,689 --> 01:11:31,440
um well I think in in the UFO community

1798
01:11:34,669 --> 01:11:32,699
and it might be a little bit different

1799
01:11:36,169 --> 01:11:34,679
than than the general public but

1800
01:11:37,490 --> 01:11:36,179
basically they can agree on it it is

1801
01:11:40,130 --> 01:11:37,500
when they the government comes out and

1802
01:11:41,630 --> 01:11:40,140
says yes we've had relationships with

1803
01:11:44,149 --> 01:11:41,640
them does it mean that we've been

1804
01:11:46,310 --> 01:11:44,159
visited or there's been crash UFOs are

1805
01:11:48,890 --> 01:11:46,320
that there's some kind of agreement you

1806
01:11:52,610 --> 01:11:48,900
know between the two races or other

1807
01:11:54,290 --> 01:11:52,620
races and stuff is it that or is it that

1808
01:11:56,510 --> 01:11:54,300
you know uh

1809
01:11:58,370 --> 01:11:56,520
is it is that disclosure does happen but

1810
01:12:01,910 --> 01:11:58,380
it happens to individuals like yourself

1811
01:12:03,470 --> 01:12:01,920
like experiencers the abductees it's

1812
01:12:05,390 --> 01:12:03,480
happening to them up close and personal

1813
01:12:07,790 --> 01:12:05,400
so is it happening to the people that it

1814
01:12:09,950 --> 01:12:07,800
needs to happen but ultimately whenever

1815
01:12:11,750 --> 01:12:09,960
I play this out as much as I want to see

1816
01:12:13,370 --> 01:12:11,760
this and I write movies that are that

1817
01:12:15,410 --> 01:12:13,380
play it out

1818
01:12:17,390 --> 01:12:15,420
um I I always hit this one stopping

1819
01:12:19,370 --> 01:12:17,400
point which is so they come out and they

1820
01:12:21,830 --> 01:12:19,380
say here they are and they land on the

1821
01:12:23,330 --> 01:12:21,840
White House lawn and they and we see

1822
01:12:25,070 --> 01:12:23,340
them and this is all playing out you

1823
01:12:27,470 --> 01:12:25,080
know if this is the the best version of

1824
01:12:30,229 --> 01:12:27,480
disclosure right they come out climb

1825
01:12:32,630 --> 01:12:30,239
down the ramp and then we see them and

1826
01:12:34,310 --> 01:12:32,640
then everyone goes okay well this is all

1827
01:12:36,350 --> 01:12:34,320
CGI this isn't real this is all

1828
01:12:39,110 --> 01:12:36,360
manufactured it's a red flag a false

1829
01:12:41,149 --> 01:12:39,120
flag Etc then then they have the alien

1830
01:12:43,189 --> 01:12:41,159
go one of the aliens or two of them go

1831
01:12:44,390 --> 01:12:43,199
on a Whistle Stop tour so you can see up

1832
01:12:47,209 --> 01:12:44,400
close and personal

1833
01:12:48,770 --> 01:12:47,219
what does that get oh well that's just

1834
01:12:50,090 --> 01:12:48,780
something that's been engineered you can

1835
01:12:52,669 --> 01:12:50,100
always counter all these things but

1836
01:12:55,250 --> 01:12:52,679
ultimately how does that affect who we

1837
01:12:56,330 --> 01:12:55,260
are and and the one thing that I always

1838
01:12:57,770 --> 01:12:56,340
ask people when they say that

1839
01:13:00,350 --> 01:12:57,780
disclosures come in and they're banging

1840
01:13:01,669 --> 01:13:00,360
that drum hard I say why why do you want

1841
01:13:02,930 --> 01:13:01,679
disclosure what are you hoping to get

1842
01:13:04,610 --> 01:13:02,940
from that if you're hoping that they're

1843
01:13:07,970 --> 01:13:04,620
going to come and clean up all of our

1844
01:13:10,370 --> 01:13:07,980
problems well those are our problems we

1845
01:13:12,950 --> 01:13:10,380
need to clean them up well yeah but

1846
01:13:15,050 --> 01:13:12,960
let's take it a step further what if we

1847
01:13:16,570 --> 01:13:15,060
cleaned up on aisle 12 isn't what we

1848
01:13:20,030 --> 01:13:16,580
want

1849
01:13:22,370 --> 01:13:20,040
you know like okay yeah we'll step in

1850
01:13:24,590 --> 01:13:22,380
now but you're not gonna like it yeah

1851
01:13:27,709 --> 01:13:24,600
we're not we're you've given up your

1852
01:13:30,169 --> 01:13:27,719
rights you know and and and now this is

1853
01:13:32,689 --> 01:13:30,179
the way it's going to be so I mean

1854
01:13:35,390 --> 01:13:32,699
here's the thing guys I mean

1855
01:13:36,590 --> 01:13:35,400
at the end of the day it's great okay

1856
01:13:40,070 --> 01:13:36,600
I'm not

1857
01:13:42,229 --> 01:13:40,080
one of these guys that's a hater on

1858
01:13:43,910 --> 01:13:42,239
most everything has come out and what I

1859
01:13:45,830 --> 01:13:43,920
mean by that is there's some wild

1860
01:13:48,169 --> 01:13:45,840
stories out there that are wild stories

1861
01:13:50,870 --> 01:13:48,179
and if somebody wants to believe it or

1862
01:13:52,550 --> 01:13:50,880
follow it good for that so good for you

1863
01:13:54,350 --> 01:13:52,560
you told that people believe you

1864
01:13:56,689 --> 01:13:54,360
whatever but I think the thing that

1865
01:13:58,430 --> 01:13:56,699
annoys me about all this is when they

1866
01:14:01,669 --> 01:13:58,440
keep making promises that never come

1867
01:14:03,770 --> 01:14:01,679
true yeah wait till next year wait till

1868
01:14:05,750 --> 01:14:03,780
next year Bob Bigelow I think was about

1869
01:14:07,550 --> 01:14:05,760
the most sincere person about all this

1870
01:14:09,649 --> 01:14:07,560
when he did the interview with George

1871
01:14:12,530 --> 01:14:09,659
Knapp several years ago when he talked

1872
01:14:14,630 --> 01:14:12,540
about confirmation he said we're going

1873
01:14:16,310 --> 01:14:14,640
to get to the point where it's going to

1874
01:14:18,050 --> 01:14:16,320
be more openly talked about there's

1875
01:14:19,310 --> 01:14:18,060
something going on and we're going to

1876
01:14:20,870 --> 01:14:19,320
stop right there

1877
01:14:22,250 --> 01:14:20,880
and we're not going to go any further

1878
01:14:24,890 --> 01:14:22,260
with it we're not going to go into the

1879
01:14:27,290 --> 01:14:24,900
nuts and bolts of it and that's kind of

1880
01:14:29,030 --> 01:14:27,300
where we're at right now the media's

1881
01:14:30,709 --> 01:14:29,040
taking it more serious good for them

1882
01:14:32,510 --> 01:14:30,719
they've done that I'm not just taking

1883
01:14:34,310 --> 01:14:32,520
that away from them

1884
01:14:36,050 --> 01:14:34,320
um the uh they'll talk about it more

1885
01:14:38,450 --> 01:14:36,060
openly but there's never been any

1886
01:14:40,490 --> 01:14:38,460
sereness that's done as far as on the

1887
01:14:42,649 --> 01:14:40,500
media end not saying they didn't they

1888
01:14:44,390 --> 01:14:42,659
did project gallero now right so they're

1889
01:14:47,450 --> 01:14:44,400
working on something there's some stuff

1890
01:14:49,790 --> 01:14:47,460
going on with Lou and NORAD right that's

1891
01:14:52,130 --> 01:14:49,800
what Danny Sheehan said okay so there's

1892
01:14:54,649 --> 01:14:52,140
stuff going on behind the scenes but

1893
01:14:56,810 --> 01:14:54,659
people need to realize number one this

1894
01:14:58,370 --> 01:14:56,820
is all being watched over or funded by

1895
01:15:01,490 --> 01:14:58,380
the government

1896
01:15:03,050 --> 01:15:01,500
and they control it

1897
01:15:04,930 --> 01:15:03,060
so what's going to make them tomorrow

1898
01:15:08,270 --> 01:15:04,940
change their mind about everything

1899
01:15:10,149 --> 01:15:08,280
you know and then what I don't like is

1900
01:15:13,669 --> 01:15:10,159
the teasing

1901
01:15:16,669 --> 01:15:13,679
you know I know it keeps you valid it

1902
01:15:19,130 --> 01:15:16,679
keeps you on radio shows it keeps you

1903
01:15:21,350 --> 01:15:19,140
um you know it keeps you in the news but

1904
01:15:23,810 --> 01:15:21,360
ultimately I said all along to the Stars

1905
01:15:26,270 --> 01:15:23,820
was a media company because they could

1906
01:15:28,189 --> 01:15:26,280
lie and I'm not saying they did but they

1907
01:15:30,169 --> 01:15:28,199
attacked a lot of stuff about doing

1908
01:15:31,729 --> 01:15:30,179
things that were proper under

1909
01:15:34,189 --> 01:15:31,739
entertainment it's a whole different way

1910
01:15:35,930 --> 01:15:34,199
you can approach things number one and

1911
01:15:38,750 --> 01:15:35,940
number two they now control the

1912
01:15:42,950 --> 01:15:38,760
narrative whether people like it or not

1913
01:15:45,830 --> 01:15:42,960
and so the thing is is that stop making

1914
01:15:48,110 --> 01:15:45,840
promises that your checkbook can't cover

1915
01:15:52,430 --> 01:15:48,120
right well I I love the the thing that

1916
01:15:54,229 --> 01:15:52,440
you've said which was um that uh no one

1917
01:15:56,090 --> 01:15:54,239
really ever does anything without

1918
01:15:57,709 --> 01:15:56,100
something in return

1919
01:16:00,169 --> 01:15:57,719
that's a really good point I'm not

1920
01:16:02,390 --> 01:16:00,179
really taken that in before the way that

1921
01:16:03,770 --> 01:16:02,400
you phrase that clean up an island aisle

1922
01:16:05,630 --> 01:16:03,780
12 is going to come up with some other

1923
01:16:07,070 --> 01:16:05,640
things it's not going to be a straight

1924
01:16:08,149 --> 01:16:07,080
across thing it usually comes with

1925
01:16:10,070 --> 01:16:08,159
something that's what we do I mean the

1926
01:16:11,630 --> 01:16:10,080
Conquistadors when they came over they

1927
01:16:13,370 --> 01:16:11,640
didn't say hey here's some cool recipes

1928
01:16:14,870 --> 01:16:13,380
or some stuff it's we're going to take

1929
01:16:15,890 --> 01:16:14,880
the gold you don't think it's that

1930
01:16:17,810 --> 01:16:15,900
valuable we're going to take it we're

1931
01:16:19,669 --> 01:16:17,820
going to do this and that so it always

1932
01:16:22,130 --> 01:16:19,679
is that trade-off I'm I'm always kind of

1933
01:16:25,070 --> 01:16:22,140
like be careful

1934
01:16:27,290 --> 01:16:25,080
of what that you know would look like a

1935
01:16:28,790 --> 01:16:27,300
full um disclosure

1936
01:16:31,130 --> 01:16:28,800
um are we ready I mean when we create

1937
01:16:32,270 --> 01:16:31,140
technology we can go out and meet them

1938
01:16:35,090 --> 01:16:32,280
halfway

1939
01:16:38,030 --> 01:16:35,100
then it's then it's an equal footing but

1940
01:16:40,189 --> 01:16:38,040
I would imagine we are millions possibly

1941
01:16:42,530 --> 01:16:40,199
of years away at least hundreds of

1942
01:16:44,450 --> 01:16:42,540
thousands of years away

1943
01:16:46,669 --> 01:16:44,460
I mean okay I'll give you an example I

1944
01:16:50,570 --> 01:16:46,679
always like to use did you see the movie

1945
01:16:53,630 --> 01:16:50,580
The Final Countdown yeah 1980. we went

1946
01:16:56,209 --> 01:16:53,640
back to 40 42. yeah Kirk Douglas yeah

1947
01:16:58,070 --> 01:16:56,219
but the whole the difference just in

1948
01:16:59,350 --> 01:16:58,080
less than 40 Years of Technology

1949
01:17:02,450 --> 01:16:59,360
advancement

1950
01:17:05,870 --> 01:17:02,460
we don't really know how far we are away

1951
01:17:07,910 --> 01:17:05,880
from making that big jump do you know

1952
01:17:10,430 --> 01:17:07,920
what I mean how close we are to AI

1953
01:17:12,649 --> 01:17:10,440
Quantum and everything else it could it

1954
01:17:14,870 --> 01:17:12,659
could it could accelerate it could be

1955
01:17:17,209 --> 01:17:14,880
right around the corner where we could

1956
01:17:20,270 --> 01:17:17,219
be a lot farther along the question is

1957
01:17:22,910 --> 01:17:20,280
and I say this not because I know or I'm

1958
01:17:25,070 --> 01:17:22,920
trying to say this is this is what I

1959
01:17:26,870 --> 01:17:25,080
believe totally is if there is something

1960
01:17:29,689 --> 01:17:26,880
else out there that's controlling some

1961
01:17:31,970 --> 01:17:29,699
other The Narrative they may have a say

1962
01:17:34,669 --> 01:17:31,980
in how far we can go

1963
01:17:37,790 --> 01:17:34,679
they may they may be controlling things

1964
01:17:39,649 --> 01:17:37,800
we don't know the ground rules because

1965
01:17:41,870 --> 01:17:39,659
we're the public we're not allowed to

1966
01:17:43,970 --> 01:17:41,880
know the ground rules we don't lie to

1967
01:17:46,189 --> 01:17:43,980
all the time I mean I'm not trying to

1968
01:17:48,470 --> 01:17:46,199
bring up covet other than this how much

1969
01:17:49,610 --> 01:17:48,480
have we been lied to about covet along

1970
01:17:58,189 --> 01:17:49,620
the way

1971
01:17:59,810 --> 01:17:58,199
to it so the point being is all these

1972
01:18:02,090 --> 01:17:59,820
people sit there and say we're ready for

1973
01:18:05,090 --> 01:18:02,100
this ready for what how can you know

1974
01:18:06,830 --> 01:18:05,100
where if I'd have told you that 9 11 was

1975
01:18:08,630 --> 01:18:06,840
going to happen look at the way that

1976
01:18:09,890 --> 01:18:08,640
went out look at the way coven went down

1977
01:18:12,770 --> 01:18:09,900
look at the way some of the other stuff

1978
01:18:15,590 --> 01:18:12,780
went down we didn't handle it very well

1979
01:18:17,870 --> 01:18:15,600
yeah so why do you think we're ready for

1980
01:18:21,709 --> 01:18:17,880
some kind of interaction from something

1981
01:18:24,050 --> 01:18:21,719
else did you ever see the Twilight

1982
01:18:28,930 --> 01:18:24,060
um the episode called how to serve man

1983
01:18:33,470 --> 01:18:31,430
well that's the interesting thing

1984
01:18:34,910 --> 01:18:33,480
there's so many Avenues you could go

1985
01:18:37,250 --> 01:18:34,920
into about

1986
01:18:38,050 --> 01:18:37,260
how whatever this could affect what you

1987
01:18:40,729 --> 01:18:38,060
remember

1988
01:18:43,370 --> 01:18:40,739
how you deal with it you know what it's

1989
01:18:45,229 --> 01:18:43,380
doing to manipulating us

1990
01:18:47,330 --> 01:18:45,239
um there's so many Avenues in all this

1991
01:18:49,910 --> 01:18:47,340
but the problem is other than some

1992
01:18:51,890 --> 01:18:49,920
Declassified documents that we some of

1993
01:18:54,649 --> 01:18:51,900
what we put in our book that we found

1994
01:18:58,070 --> 01:18:54,659
that there's just a small percentage of

1995
01:19:00,350 --> 01:18:58,080
people probably in the world that have a

1996
01:19:01,610 --> 01:19:00,360
really working knowledge of what's going

1997
01:19:04,370 --> 01:19:01,620
on

1998
01:19:05,209 --> 01:19:04,380
hmm I can't believe that yeah and that's

1999
01:19:12,290 --> 01:19:05,219
power

2000
01:19:13,610 --> 01:19:12,300
and so the bottom line is that's why I'm

2001
01:19:15,890 --> 01:19:13,620
bored

2002
01:19:19,189 --> 01:19:15,900
maybe maybe

2003
01:19:20,689 --> 01:19:19,199
I will find out I don't I would I'd say

2004
01:19:23,030 --> 01:19:20,699
I've got a better chance of whatever it

2005
01:19:25,010 --> 01:19:23,040
is coming back again than I do my

2006
01:19:28,910 --> 01:19:25,020
government telling me the truth

2007
01:19:30,410 --> 01:19:28,920
huh yeah here's a question and I asked

2008
01:19:33,350 --> 01:19:30,420
this person they said that you may have

2009
01:19:36,950 --> 01:19:33,360
spoke about this before can you speak on

2010
01:19:38,510 --> 01:19:36,960
the plasma conscious link with the craft

2011
01:19:41,390 --> 01:19:38,520
is that something you've talked about

2012
01:19:44,209 --> 01:19:41,400
before well it's been touched on in the

2013
01:19:47,330 --> 01:19:44,219
book and um it appears that

2014
01:19:50,149 --> 01:19:47,340
Consciousness is the new weapon if you

2015
01:19:53,209 --> 01:19:50,159
really want to look at Consciousness and

2016
01:19:55,550 --> 01:19:53,219
some of it's come out on TV and then it

2017
01:19:58,010 --> 01:19:55,560
was interesting right after

2018
01:20:01,310 --> 01:19:58,020
a TV show did it they admitted we have

2019
01:20:04,130 --> 01:20:01,320
some of it um they we now have drones

2020
01:20:05,570 --> 01:20:04,140
that can be independently controlled by

2021
01:20:08,209 --> 01:20:05,580
AI

2022
01:20:09,830 --> 01:20:08,219
so they just talked about the drones

2023
01:20:12,830 --> 01:20:09,840
that can hover over a target for hours

2024
01:20:17,090 --> 01:20:12,840
identify the Target and hit it well

2025
01:20:22,010 --> 01:20:19,310
any kind of weapon or anything out there

2026
01:20:24,110 --> 01:20:22,020
can be shut down

2027
01:20:26,810 --> 01:20:24,120
from ground air do you understand what I

2028
01:20:29,390 --> 01:20:26,820
mean em the frequencies can be modulated

2029
01:20:31,430 --> 01:20:29,400
and interfered with right but if you

2030
01:20:33,110 --> 01:20:31,440
understand how to manipulate something

2031
01:20:35,290 --> 01:20:33,120
through consciousness

2032
01:20:37,850 --> 01:20:35,300
you could control the whole armor God

2033
01:20:39,890 --> 01:20:37,860
Armageddon of weapons and stuff and it

2034
01:20:41,510 --> 01:20:39,900
would be really hard to stop it

2035
01:20:44,390 --> 01:20:41,520
you know just like drones and everything

2036
01:20:45,590 --> 01:20:44,400
else and Northwest Grumman showed a

2037
01:20:48,350 --> 01:20:45,600
video that I don't know if it's still

2038
01:20:51,050 --> 01:20:48,360
out there but the F-35 helmet the pilot

2039
01:20:53,870 --> 01:20:51,060
is the ability to control the aircraft

2040
01:20:56,870 --> 01:20:53,880
through the helmet which is using AI

2041
01:20:59,510 --> 01:20:56,880
with his mind and stuff outside the

2042
01:21:00,649 --> 01:20:59,520
aircraft like missiles and other drones

2043
01:21:03,770 --> 01:21:00,659
and stuff

2044
01:21:05,450 --> 01:21:03,780
so the new weapon is understanding

2045
01:21:08,510 --> 01:21:05,460
Consciousness itself

2046
01:21:10,729 --> 01:21:08,520
and the plasmas

2047
01:21:11,810 --> 01:21:10,739
um according to kondine they're real and

2048
01:21:13,490 --> 01:21:11,820
they're intelligent they're under

2049
01:21:15,649 --> 01:21:13,500
intelligent control

2050
01:21:18,110 --> 01:21:15,659
so it and

2051
01:21:20,149 --> 01:21:18,120
a step further the plasmas themselves

2052
01:21:22,370 --> 01:21:20,159
could be the new life form

2053
01:21:25,189 --> 01:21:22,380
it could be just an energy form with con

2054
01:21:28,550 --> 01:21:25,199
being the Consciousness energy form

2055
01:21:31,250 --> 01:21:28,560
itself it could it may not be no longer

2056
01:21:32,990 --> 01:21:31,260
need to be in a human container

2057
01:21:36,110 --> 01:21:33,000
I think I had someone else on the show

2058
01:21:37,490 --> 01:21:36,120
that kind of spoke along those lines I

2059
01:21:39,709 --> 01:21:37,500
was trying to understand the whole thing

2060
01:21:41,810 --> 01:21:39,719
it's very well it's being looked at I

2061
01:21:44,570 --> 01:21:41,820
mean just sit there and say how far we

2062
01:21:46,189 --> 01:21:44,580
are I'm not sure but just the fact that

2063
01:21:48,350 --> 01:21:46,199
there are people like musk and stuff

2064
01:21:49,729 --> 01:21:48,360
coming out threatening that AI could be

2065
01:21:52,669 --> 01:21:49,739
our demise

2066
01:21:55,070 --> 01:21:52,679
you know what I mean and and eventually

2067
01:21:57,050 --> 01:21:55,080
the the one of the ways you can control

2068
01:21:59,149 --> 01:21:57,060
everything is imagine if you could take

2069
01:22:02,709 --> 01:21:59,159
somebody's Consciousness take it out of

2070
01:22:08,330 --> 01:22:06,590
or put it in a drone or something

2071
01:22:11,689 --> 01:22:08,340
yeah isn't that what happened to Mark

2072
01:22:15,169 --> 01:22:13,490
um it's interesting because when you're

2073
01:22:17,630 --> 01:22:15,179
talking about Consciousness you can't

2074
01:22:20,870 --> 01:22:17,640
help but wonder you know um are we also

2075
01:22:23,390 --> 01:22:20,880
talking about overlapping of the Soul

2076
01:22:25,850 --> 01:22:23,400
you know what is the Consciousness is

2077
01:22:28,189 --> 01:22:25,860
isn't our thoughts or is it something

2078
01:22:30,290 --> 01:22:28,199
else um you know more powerful the 21

2079
01:22:31,910 --> 01:22:30,300
Grams when someone says no one was

2080
01:22:35,330 --> 01:22:31,920
looking Nolan and his group were looking

2081
01:22:37,610 --> 01:22:35,340
at consciousness yeah Stanford's always

2082
01:22:40,850 --> 01:22:37,620
been Pioneers but not only that they're

2083
01:22:42,770 --> 01:22:40,860
looking at DNA for a reason okay they're

2084
01:22:45,830 --> 01:22:42,780
looking at Bloodlines and they're

2085
01:22:48,229 --> 01:22:45,840
looking at how they're transitioned over

2086
01:22:49,970 --> 01:22:48,239
the years why certain people can do

2087
01:22:52,850 --> 01:22:49,980
things that other people can't

2088
01:22:54,770 --> 01:22:52,860
how to develop those abilities and where

2089
01:22:56,990 --> 01:22:54,780
are we going into the future

2090
01:22:59,209 --> 01:22:57,000
where will you be events they're already

2091
01:23:02,330 --> 01:22:59,219
looking at weapons 50 to 100 years in

2092
01:23:05,090 --> 01:23:02,340
advance think tanks are

2093
01:23:06,590 --> 01:23:05,100
without it it's just the fact yeah I

2094
01:23:08,330 --> 01:23:06,600
mean you could go back and think tanks

2095
01:23:10,010 --> 01:23:08,340
in the 50s and 60s we're talking about

2096
01:23:13,970 --> 01:23:10,020
where we're at today

2097
01:23:17,149 --> 01:23:13,980
hmm so that's what they're doing and so

2098
01:23:21,530 --> 01:23:17,159
Consciousness plays a huge part of it

2099
01:23:23,470 --> 01:23:21,540
interesting here's a a question of what

2100
01:23:27,649 --> 01:23:23,480
we were talking earlier on talking about

2101
01:23:30,110 --> 01:23:27,659
uh you have you have to have read the

2102
01:23:32,330 --> 01:23:30,120
memo it makes no sense why weren't Jets

2103
01:23:34,610 --> 01:23:32,340
scrambled if the UFOs were visible for

2104
01:23:38,750 --> 01:23:34,620
three straight hours

2105
01:23:41,209 --> 01:23:38,760
I mean the interesting thing is is that

2106
01:23:42,890 --> 01:23:41,219
at that point I'm not sure where they

2107
01:23:45,110 --> 01:23:42,900
would have scramble them from I don't

2108
01:23:47,030 --> 01:23:45,120
know I can't tell you what base they

2109
01:23:48,530 --> 01:23:47,040
would have had fighters on alert I would

2110
01:23:50,270 --> 01:23:48,540
assume they had something on alert at

2111
01:23:53,689 --> 01:23:50,280
Lake and Heath

2112
01:23:55,970 --> 01:23:53,699
um and then over in in Europe they've

2113
01:23:57,410 --> 01:23:55,980
supposedly somebody some Pilots came

2114
01:24:00,169 --> 01:23:57,420
forward and said they were scrambled

2115
01:24:03,530 --> 01:24:00,179
from the continent not from England

2116
01:24:05,750 --> 01:24:03,540
themselves how how this is just a story

2117
01:24:07,310 --> 01:24:05,760
that came out I you'd have to look dig

2118
01:24:09,709 --> 01:24:07,320
into it there was a couple guys that

2119
01:24:12,770 --> 01:24:09,719
said they were the 16s were I think it

2120
01:24:14,450 --> 01:24:12,780
was 16 so we're scrambled at some point

2121
01:24:16,910 --> 01:24:14,460
from Denmark or something I don't

2122
01:24:18,770 --> 01:24:16,920
remember but what I exactly where but

2123
01:24:20,630 --> 01:24:18,780
there was a couple pilots and said they

2124
01:24:24,470 --> 01:24:20,640
were sent

2125
01:24:27,350 --> 01:24:24,480
um what I do know is that the 67th

2126
01:24:29,570 --> 01:24:27,360
should have been activated and

2127
01:24:32,149 --> 01:24:29,580
there were reports of helicopters being

2128
01:24:34,430 --> 01:24:32,159
in the air I talked directly in email

2129
01:24:36,770 --> 01:24:34,440
with the 67th air Commander years later

2130
01:24:40,729 --> 01:24:36,780
and he wouldn't either confirm or deny

2131
01:24:44,689 --> 01:24:42,470
Dean you have a question

2132
01:24:47,810 --> 01:24:44,699
well I'm looking four questions right

2133
01:24:49,790 --> 01:24:47,820
now myself uh in the chat so let me just

2134
01:24:51,709 --> 01:24:49,800
say something quickly so anyone that

2135
01:24:53,330 --> 01:24:51,719
wants to post your question please do it

2136
01:24:57,110 --> 01:24:53,340
oh let me bring one option up to that

2137
01:24:59,030 --> 01:24:57,120
point command posts and um what was his

2138
01:25:00,890 --> 01:24:59,040
name Nick Redford got a foia through the

2139
01:25:03,169 --> 01:25:00,900
British government to admit our Command

2140
01:25:05,630 --> 01:25:03,179
Post at zero 320 on the morning of the

2141
01:25:08,209 --> 01:25:05,640
27th I think it would have believed they

2142
01:25:10,790 --> 01:25:08,219
confirmed through foia that our our

2143
01:25:13,669 --> 01:25:10,800
Command Post called Eastern radar for

2144
01:25:16,130 --> 01:25:13,679
verifications of UFOs over our area

2145
01:25:18,290 --> 01:25:16,140
so there was stuff going on back and

2146
01:25:19,430 --> 01:25:18,300
forth through the command post in

2147
01:25:24,110 --> 01:25:19,440
different

2148
01:25:25,490 --> 01:25:24,120
if they scrambled aircraft or not that

2149
01:25:28,189 --> 01:25:25,500
wasn't something that was never

2150
01:25:29,510 --> 01:25:28,199
discussed and if they were we would

2151
01:25:31,729 --> 01:25:29,520
never have probably known about it at

2152
01:25:33,110 --> 01:25:31,739
least I would have the chain of command

2153
01:25:36,770 --> 01:25:33,120
above one of them

2154
01:25:41,030 --> 01:25:36,780
hmm well the most powerful commodity in

2155
01:25:45,010 --> 01:25:41,040
any uh government is secrecy so

2156
01:25:47,810 --> 01:25:45,020
yeah why would they you know

2157
01:25:49,390 --> 01:25:47,820
if you jump up the dates times and

2158
01:25:52,669 --> 01:25:49,400
everything else it takes years to get

2159
01:25:53,810 --> 01:25:52,679
clarified you put out crazy stories and

2160
01:25:54,950 --> 01:25:53,820
you have different people that are

2161
01:25:57,110 --> 01:25:54,960
discredited eventually you have

2162
01:25:58,550 --> 01:25:57,120
infighting going on constantly with

2163
01:26:00,770 --> 01:25:58,560
Colonel hot and other people now

2164
01:26:03,350 --> 01:26:00,780
finished some immigriding

2165
01:26:05,270 --> 01:26:03,360
um Believe It or Not uh halt completely

2166
01:26:07,850 --> 01:26:05,280
went after him last year at the muffin

2167
01:26:10,070 --> 01:26:07,860
conference he did 45 minutes of his

2168
01:26:13,490 --> 01:26:10,080
presentation on why the binary things

2169
01:26:15,350 --> 01:26:13,500
are fraud okay so that constantly goes

2170
01:26:16,610 --> 01:26:15,360
on it's really hard to get move anything

2171
01:26:19,310 --> 01:26:16,620
forward

2172
01:26:21,169 --> 01:26:19,320
with the case itself and never get to

2173
01:26:23,689 --> 01:26:21,179
any kind of closure never mind you're

2174
01:26:25,970 --> 01:26:23,699
fighting the government itself so I

2175
01:26:29,510 --> 01:26:25,980
remember saying way back when I started

2176
01:26:31,610 --> 01:26:29,520
this show in 2011 and whenever

2177
01:26:34,970 --> 01:26:31,620
um I don't know if I said it then but it

2178
01:26:37,490 --> 01:26:34,980
seems like such a convoluted case

2179
01:26:40,729 --> 01:26:37,500
um because of the different things going

2180
01:26:43,669 --> 01:26:40,739
on here and and um and and what you

2181
01:26:45,770 --> 01:26:43,679
mentioned just now right and I still

2182
01:26:48,470 --> 01:26:45,780
feel feel that way

2183
01:26:49,970 --> 01:26:48,480
um and I like the direct approach I feel

2184
01:26:51,590 --> 01:26:49,980
comfortable with what you're talking

2185
01:26:54,470 --> 01:26:51,600
about right

2186
01:26:57,050 --> 01:26:54,480
yeah next question yeah this question

2187
01:26:58,970 --> 01:26:57,060
here uh did I believe you spoke about it

2188
01:27:01,550 --> 01:26:58,980
they want to do an MRI

2189
01:27:03,709 --> 01:27:01,560
um I don't know well it's it's people

2190
01:27:06,110 --> 01:27:03,719
need to understand but a lot of our

2191
01:27:09,050 --> 01:27:06,120
military is no longer military per se

2192
01:27:11,270 --> 01:27:09,060
it's government contracts okay or uh

2193
01:27:12,830 --> 01:27:11,280
Consultants like the people that work

2194
01:27:17,149 --> 01:27:12,840
with me were consultants for the

2195
01:27:18,890 --> 01:27:17,159
government at one point CIA Dia they all

2196
01:27:20,990 --> 01:27:18,900
work for these agencies but they no

2197
01:27:23,689 --> 01:27:21,000
longer do they're consultants for them

2198
01:27:26,629 --> 01:27:23,699
which gives them a bigger

2199
01:27:30,970 --> 01:27:26,639
um span of out of foia and everything

2200
01:27:33,410 --> 01:27:30,980
else and and and you can't get foia

2201
01:27:35,270 --> 01:27:33,420
through because if you ask the military

2202
01:27:37,850 --> 01:27:35,280
were they involved no no no we weren't

2203
01:27:40,189 --> 01:27:37,860
you know what I mean and all you have to

2204
01:27:41,990 --> 01:27:40,199
do is look up Afghanistan at the end

2205
01:27:44,510 --> 01:27:42,000
before we pulled out we have 5 000

2206
01:27:46,850 --> 01:27:44,520
troops over there and 15 000 contractors

2207
01:27:49,310 --> 01:27:46,860
what's that tell you it's all hidden

2208
01:27:51,169 --> 01:27:49,320
inside government contracts now so yes

2209
01:27:52,970 --> 01:27:51,179
there was government interest in me

2210
01:27:56,149 --> 01:27:52,980
through contractors

2211
01:27:57,770 --> 01:27:56,159
it's so ironic because before World War

2212
01:28:00,229 --> 01:27:57,780
II

2213
01:28:02,750 --> 01:28:00,239
um FDR had battled all of the big

2214
01:28:04,310 --> 01:28:02,760
businesses right and they they had the

2215
01:28:05,990 --> 01:28:04,320
New Deal and how it separated that

2216
01:28:08,090 --> 01:28:06,000
Monopoly everything and then when World

2217
01:28:10,430 --> 01:28:08,100
War II happened we were so not not

2218
01:28:12,470 --> 01:28:10,440
prepared unprepared it was insane and

2219
01:28:15,110 --> 01:28:12,480
all of a sudden Ford all these companies

2220
01:28:17,390 --> 01:28:15,120
they were they were given back all of

2221
01:28:18,770 --> 01:28:17,400
these freedoms of control that they

2222
01:28:21,110 --> 01:28:18,780
didn't have before and once that

2223
01:28:22,910 --> 01:28:21,120
happened as Eisenhower is uh often

2224
01:28:27,709 --> 01:28:22,920
quoted you know the military industrial

2225
01:28:29,510 --> 01:28:27,719
complex came in to to power and now it's

2226
01:28:31,310 --> 01:28:29,520
um you know well actually it's farther

2227
01:28:33,709 --> 01:28:31,320
it's the national Securities day now but

2228
01:28:36,410 --> 01:28:33,719
yeah yeah yeah and so it's it's just

2229
01:28:39,169 --> 01:28:36,420
interesting because here we are looking

2230
01:28:42,169 --> 01:28:39,179
at this and and it's attached to such a

2231
01:28:44,030 --> 01:28:42,179
huge apparatus it's just not as clean as

2232
01:28:46,610 --> 01:28:44,040
as the public I think would like it to

2233
01:28:50,030 --> 01:28:46,620
be in its understanding as well well you

2234
01:28:52,490 --> 01:28:50,040
guys asked why this goes on okay

2235
01:28:54,709 --> 01:28:52,500
every one of these people and I'm not

2236
01:28:56,930 --> 01:28:54,719
one of them and when I say this I'm not

2237
01:28:58,189 --> 01:28:56,940
a government agent and I don't like a

2238
01:29:00,050 --> 01:28:58,199
lot of things the government's done

2239
01:29:02,629 --> 01:29:00,060
including the way they treated me right

2240
01:29:06,050 --> 01:29:02,639
I almost died but all these people have

2241
01:29:07,910 --> 01:29:06,060
their own agenda whether it's like for

2242
01:29:09,950 --> 01:29:07,920
example these guys that are working for

2243
01:29:12,050 --> 01:29:09,960
the government which by the way how can

2244
01:29:14,209 --> 01:29:12,060
you be a whistleblower and still be

2245
01:29:16,370 --> 01:29:14,219
working with the government that was one

2246
01:29:18,530 --> 01:29:16,380
of the things I challenged about Lou and

2247
01:29:20,629 --> 01:29:18,540
and she hadn't openly admitted it and

2248
01:29:22,490 --> 01:29:20,639
they didn't like it and even Jimmy

2249
01:29:23,930 --> 01:29:22,500
Church afterwards kind of told me well

2250
01:29:25,790 --> 01:29:23,940
you know we don't really want to dwell

2251
01:29:27,110 --> 01:29:25,800
on that why not how can he be a

2252
01:29:29,629 --> 01:29:27,120
whistleblower but working for the

2253
01:29:32,090 --> 01:29:29,639
government still you know what I mean so

2254
01:29:33,890 --> 01:29:32,100
the government controls all this stuff

2255
01:29:36,470 --> 01:29:33,900
and then all these people in ephology

2256
01:29:39,590 --> 01:29:36,480
are making money off of it they have

2257
01:29:41,870 --> 01:29:39,600
their web pages their own agenda for the

2258
01:29:44,090 --> 01:29:41,880
further their careers the radio shows

2259
01:29:46,310 --> 01:29:44,100
nothing against you Martin I mean it's

2260
01:29:48,950 --> 01:29:46,320
it's your it's your business and your

2261
01:29:51,050 --> 01:29:48,960
two theme but ultimately you have to top

2262
01:29:53,450 --> 01:29:51,060
the latest story whatever the last press

2263
01:29:55,790 --> 01:29:53,460
release to stay relevant you have to top

2264
01:29:57,770 --> 01:29:55,800
it or you no longer use irrelevant

2265
01:29:59,570 --> 01:29:57,780
anymore or you have to get really good

2266
01:30:01,430 --> 01:29:59,580
guests on like Martin you're going to

2267
01:30:03,229 --> 01:30:01,440
have James Fox on next week to talk

2268
01:30:05,270 --> 01:30:03,239
about his movie but what I'm getting at

2269
01:30:08,270 --> 01:30:05,280
is these guys all have their own agendas

2270
01:30:10,370 --> 01:30:08,280
and they don't work together and they

2271
01:30:12,050 --> 01:30:10,380
they counteract because from the start

2272
01:30:14,629 --> 01:30:12,060
when I first got drug into this I could

2273
01:30:17,149 --> 01:30:14,639
see everybody wanted to be the one to be

2274
01:30:20,030 --> 01:30:17,159
the one to break the story to get the

2275
01:30:21,709 --> 01:30:20,040
credit for the story yeah and it's a

2276
01:30:23,570 --> 01:30:21,719
joke you're never going to get the story

2277
01:30:25,550 --> 01:30:23,580
is this the point where you're going to

2278
01:30:26,930 --> 01:30:25,560
give us a big mic drop is that what

2279
01:30:28,010 --> 01:30:26,940
you're setting us up for right now then

2280
01:30:30,709 --> 01:30:28,020
I'm going to tell you what's going on

2281
01:30:33,830 --> 01:30:30,719
yeah

2282
01:30:36,649 --> 01:30:33,840
in fact and now so I don't get any weird

2283
01:30:39,770 --> 01:30:36,659
questions I'm honest I I really don't

2284
01:30:44,510 --> 01:30:39,780
know what we're dealing with I have some

2285
01:30:46,129 --> 01:30:44,520
ideas I have some documents like the guy

2286
01:30:49,310 --> 01:30:46,139
that asked the question about

2287
01:30:52,610 --> 01:30:49,320
Consciousness in UAB I have stuff for my

2288
01:30:55,310 --> 01:30:52,620
for my hypnosis but I don't have access

2289
01:30:58,490 --> 01:30:55,320
to this stuff like like a nola does like

2290
01:31:00,709 --> 01:30:58,500
a green does like a put-off does I know

2291
01:31:02,810 --> 01:31:00,719
these guys have access to it I don't

2292
01:31:05,149 --> 01:31:02,820
know about Lou I don't know what he has

2293
01:31:07,610 --> 01:31:05,159
access to we've never I don't think it's

2294
01:31:09,770 --> 01:31:07,620
ever been verified who he really is and

2295
01:31:11,629 --> 01:31:09,780
what I mean by that is not to say that

2296
01:31:12,590 --> 01:31:11,639
he's lying about anything other than

2297
01:31:14,870 --> 01:31:12,600
just

2298
01:31:17,390 --> 01:31:14,880
we know we have the history of put off

2299
01:31:20,270 --> 01:31:17,400
and he ran Stargate we can prove that

2300
01:31:22,430 --> 01:31:20,280
green was in the CIA and he's done these

2301
01:31:24,050 --> 01:31:22,440
different projects you know we can prove

2302
01:31:26,330 --> 01:31:24,060
that Nolan works for Stanford and he's

2303
01:31:28,790 --> 01:31:26,340
involved in this but all I'm getting at

2304
01:31:31,250 --> 01:31:28,800
is is that they know a lot more and

2305
01:31:32,930 --> 01:31:31,260
they're not talking they'll give you

2306
01:31:34,910 --> 01:31:32,940
little things that half the time you

2307
01:31:37,189 --> 01:31:34,920
walk away more confused from what they

2308
01:31:39,050 --> 01:31:37,199
told you than what you thought you knew

2309
01:31:41,090 --> 01:31:39,060
when you first talked to him

2310
01:31:43,550 --> 01:31:41,100
and those guys aren't at the tip of the

2311
01:31:45,649 --> 01:31:43,560
spear either there's people above them

2312
01:31:47,390 --> 01:31:45,659
buried in government that know a lot

2313
01:31:49,910 --> 01:31:47,400
remember

2314
01:31:54,169 --> 01:31:49,920
oh John um we're going to be wrapping up

2315
01:31:57,050 --> 01:31:54,179
here pretty soon but when this happened

2316
01:31:59,149 --> 01:31:57,060
um did you hear other people talking

2317
01:32:01,310 --> 01:31:59,159
about things on the base you know

2318
01:32:03,410 --> 01:32:01,320
quietly between you in other words like

2319
01:32:05,870 --> 01:32:03,420
the beams coming down on the weapon

2320
01:32:08,629 --> 01:32:05,880
storage area uh other things that you

2321
01:32:11,149 --> 01:32:08,639
weren't aware of yourself I um basically

2322
01:32:13,209 --> 01:32:11,159
I lived up base so I wasn't out there

2323
01:32:17,510 --> 01:32:13,219
for the dorms got a lot of other stuff

2324
01:32:20,689 --> 01:32:17,520
and I really didn't want to press it you

2325
01:32:22,910 --> 01:32:20,699
know you you can tell when when your

2326
01:32:26,629 --> 01:32:22,920
command tells you to

2327
01:32:28,129 --> 01:32:26,639
we'll let you know and I was in E3 I

2328
01:32:30,350 --> 01:32:28,139
didn't have access to even like a

2329
01:32:31,850 --> 01:32:30,360
peniston or above whether or not they

2330
01:32:34,910 --> 01:32:31,860
were talked to and all that you know I

2331
01:32:37,610 --> 01:32:34,920
was just a little worker bee so I there

2332
01:32:39,350 --> 01:32:37,620
was no reason for me to ask questions or

2333
01:32:42,350 --> 01:32:39,360
talk about it

2334
01:32:44,270 --> 01:32:42,360
very good well I really appreciate it

2335
01:32:45,830 --> 01:32:44,280
very much it's been a great show it's

2336
01:32:46,610 --> 01:32:45,840
been a real pleasure talking to you

2337
01:32:49,250 --> 01:32:46,620
again

2338
01:32:51,050 --> 01:32:49,260
right he's talking to you a nice meeting

2339
01:32:54,350 --> 01:32:51,060
you for the first time John and nice to

2340
01:32:56,870 --> 01:32:54,360
meet you and Dave Altman yes I have been

2341
01:33:01,010 --> 01:32:56,880
compared and heard that that I

2342
01:33:02,390 --> 01:33:01,020
sign and look like uh Jeff Goldblum and

2343
01:33:05,090 --> 01:33:02,400
when I see you in person I'll do my

2344
01:33:06,229 --> 01:33:05,100
impersonation that was an important

2345
01:33:08,450 --> 01:33:06,239
question we didn't get to John

2346
01:33:10,790 --> 01:33:08,460
unfortunately and guys good luck with

2347
01:33:13,550 --> 01:33:10,800
this good luck with this and and I I

2348
01:33:15,470 --> 01:33:13,560
I'll never say never that I won't my

2349
01:33:17,629 --> 01:33:15,480
interests won't get peaked again but

2350
01:33:19,310 --> 01:33:17,639
there's nothing going on right now that

2351
01:33:22,370 --> 01:33:19,320
leads me to believe that there's

2352
01:33:23,810 --> 01:33:22,380
anything of value other than yes maybe

2353
01:33:25,790 --> 01:33:23,820
the Press will talk a little bit more

2354
01:33:27,830 --> 01:33:25,800
about his stuff there's nothing on the

2355
01:33:29,510 --> 01:33:27,840
horizon that I can see and I could be

2356
01:33:31,970 --> 01:33:29,520
surprised I've been surprised before

2357
01:33:34,669 --> 01:33:31,980
that a value that's going to really make

2358
01:33:36,470 --> 01:33:34,679
me sit up and listen so and that's me

2359
01:33:39,229 --> 01:33:36,480
personally but keep doing what you're

2360
01:33:41,090 --> 01:33:39,239
doing you never know yeah all right you

2361
01:33:43,370 --> 01:33:41,100
take care John yeah take care guys

2362
01:33:45,770 --> 01:33:43,380
thanks John

2363
01:33:48,290 --> 01:33:45,780
whoops so uh we'll be back next week

2364
01:33:50,990 --> 01:33:48,300
Dean I want to thank you again for uh

2365
01:33:52,610 --> 01:33:51,000
covering and helping me out tonight

2366
01:33:54,229 --> 01:33:52,620
um it's been been a real pleasure you've

2367
01:33:56,870 --> 01:33:54,239
been a lot of fun

2368
01:34:00,410 --> 01:33:56,880
well uh thanks for having me here and

2369
01:34:03,110 --> 01:34:00,420
it's so great to see you and uh uh you

2370
01:34:04,790 --> 01:34:03,120
you you crushed it terrific job and uh

2371
01:34:06,649 --> 01:34:04,800
looking forward to seeing more episodes

2372
01:34:08,270 --> 01:34:06,659
with Morton

2373
01:34:10,189 --> 01:34:08,280
all right you take care all right

2374
01:34:12,590 --> 01:34:10,199
everyone we'll be back next week with

2375
01:34:13,940 --> 01:34:12,600
the James Fox thank you all and keep

2376
01:34:21,110 --> 01:34:13,950
your eyes to the sky

2377
01:34:21,120 --> 01:34:25,210
foreign